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bespoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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all right well well well welcome fade to

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today is monday november 22nd 2021

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325 days into the new year only 40 days

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of nowhere a total

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but it is beautiful

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i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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heather and tither to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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for kjcr the game changer and on x

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networks i am your host jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody race hops

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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it's thanksgiving week

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thanksgiving

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you know wandering through the

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vegetables

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i'm gonna smell turkey

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and i smelled i did right i

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was like is that gravy

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i smell mashed potato i smell cranberry

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sauce it was like wafting

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stop the cart i said man

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i'll take a pound of that a pound of

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that found that in the hole

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and uh i cheated man

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i couldn't help myself

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and uh it it certainly uh was easier

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you know an entire thanksgiving dinner a

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week early but uh man i load it up and

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so anyway it's thanksgiving week

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and uh a couple of things i would like

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that uh this week is uh gonna be

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thanksgiving here at uh fade to plaque

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and i'm thankful for tonight michael

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schratt is with us

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he's here to talk about all that secret

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tech that might be in our skies

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yeah so michael stratt is with us

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tomorrow night right here margie k it's

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wednesday night dave schrader

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schrader night

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he texted me

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what it was like midnight last night i

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get this text from schrader hey man

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black schrader night on wednesday i was

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i just made me laugh and uh schrader's

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the best so that's going on uh wednesday

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thursday thanksgiving dinner and all of

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that stuff and after thanksgiving dinner

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i'm gonna be right here with all of you

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for a very special thanksgiving fader

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fader knots on thanksgiving

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okay so there you go that is our

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right here on fade to block follow me on

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twitter at j church radio

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church radio you're already following me

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i know but in case you know we get you

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we get new listeners every single day

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here for the first time heard about fade

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to black they're here they heard about

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the sandbox they are here

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out there and i get it

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all right the sandboxes hashtag

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f2b on twitter we don't buy come and

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in the chat rooms oh i didn't get a

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all right well hello to everybody in any

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uh that you are in right now

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we need a quick spiricy yeah when um you

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i think he's dipping his toes back into

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uh for the last year and uh but i would

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quit conspiracy those are the days those

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are good shows one pipe two pipes

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those are good shows i miss jason i do

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still talk to him but uh you know he's

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been busy

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but maybe the time is right all right

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i've got some breaking news

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all right breaking news going down right

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at 9 00 p.m tonight

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pacific time

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in two hours

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the observers will be available for rent

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on all streaming services nine o'clock

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tonight so

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if you haven't seen the observers after

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the show tonight it's available for rent

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all right i'll do all the social media

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post about that tomorrow

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uh but uh i decided to announce it

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tonight on the show so in two hours

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the observers is available for rent and

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all the links are the same just click

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you can go

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and uh right there at in in two hours

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all right here we go more breaking news

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is surveying a former new jersey

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once condemned as an environmental

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disaster site as part of the agency's

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long-running investigation into the

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disappearance of

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jimmy hoffa

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that's right the teamster labor union

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leader who mysteriously vanished back in

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1975.

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federal agents visited the site on

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october 25th and 26th

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to conduct a site survey

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the survey follows the deathbed

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confession of a former landfill worker

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unidentified people charged him and his

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with burying hoffa's body in a steel

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barrel roughly 15 feet below the dump in

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the worker his name frank at capila

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he worked alongside his father at the

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his father used an excavator to dig a

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large hole just outside of the

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hoffa's body was delivered then stuffed

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almost a ton of meteorites declared as

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almost a half a ton

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announcement earlier today

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is an iron sulfide mineral used in paper

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470 kilograms of meteorites with a

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well here you go this came out of the uk

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are sentient beings and shouldn't be

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boiled alive all of this according to a

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octopuses crabs and lobsters

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which has added the creatures to a list

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of sentient beings to be given

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well you can still boil them right now

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there's gonna and it's not law

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yet but they're gonna figure out a way

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well also today it's thanksgiving week

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so i thought i'd share this with you

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target

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the stores

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announced today that it will close all

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of its stores on thanksgiving every year

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from this thanksgiving 2021

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target closed its doors last year on

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this thanksgiving too

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but the change in policy was announced

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thanksgiving target is closed

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forever that's cool

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right on let's get this show cracking

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happy birthday to today

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the hulk i like mark today mark is 54

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years old jamie lee curtis today is 63.

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little stephen van zant is 71 great

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guitar player in the e street band but

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also a great actor

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in the sopranos

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talking heads bassist tina weymouth

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moving on our dead guy's birthday today

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1948 to 2021 died at the age of 72.

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mick used his camera

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he photographed queen t-rex sid barrett

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lou reed iggy pop the sex pistols ozzy

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the talking heads roxy music thin lizzy

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right motley crew and blondie

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often referred to as the man who shot

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the seventies

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most of the

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memorable shots of bowie as ziggy

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stardust were shot by mick

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in his gig

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as bowie's official photographer

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nick was also the host of on the record

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with mick rock a documentary series on

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the ovation channel the series followed

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him across the country hanging out with

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musicians and touring their hometowns

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mick died on staten island in new york

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city on november 18 2021

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at the age of 72.

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on this day in history

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[Laughter]

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okay brian

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that is officially the funniest uh gift

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that anybody has ever posted

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in hashtag f2b

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right there

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let me go back

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man on this day in history

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1963

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john f kennedy the 35th president of the

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united states

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is assassinated

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spaghettification

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is the of is the official astronomy term

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that explains what happens when a person

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falls into a black hole

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yeah that's a fact

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tonight very special guest michael

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schratt is with us

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here to talk about all of that secret

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tech that might be going on

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flying around in our skies right now

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tomorrow night margie k is here to

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discuss midwest ufos and uaps

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we're going to cover four states

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tomorrow night

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four states

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you want to tune in for that wednesday

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night dave schrader stops by for

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schrader night i can't even say that

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shrey schrader night

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straight to black and thursday's

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thanksgiving and i'm gonna be right here

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after thanksgiving dinner hanging out

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with all of you

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for fader night we're gonna have open

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lines all night long

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we'll find out

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how many fights broke out around your

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oh man you gotta love thanksgiving

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river moon coffee rivermoonwellness.com

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man i love this new microphone

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i posted about it today

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this tascam tm 70. it it it it sounds

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like me

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and uh i am so happy with 99 bucks

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99 bucks man

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it's an incredible microphone

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and you get the shock mount

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yeah this is that's a nice mic

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you're not going to sound like me but

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you are going to sound like you

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with this microphone and uh highly

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recommend it it's just incredible it's

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great sounding okay

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and this is flat by the way no eq

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straight in

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it's a good mic

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and uh you get a mic like this it's

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dynamic you can use it for anything

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you can use it for anything all right

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where am i at rivermoonwellness.com

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all right

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they have a an amazing black friday sale

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going on right now is it black friday

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yet oh no that happens on friday i did a

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black friday purchase today though

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i got a i got a discount code sent to me

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i use i think so oh

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bam

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all right

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where am i at

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uh okay

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earlier today

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john burroughs john if you're listening

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i got this email from john

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hop off the presses

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and uh

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it was a link uh to tim mcmillan's

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article over at the debrief

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they just released this article called

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former defense officials weigh in on

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proposed uap legislation that's the

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headline was like okay

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i'm in thank you john

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so i lifted some of the facts uh from

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tim's article uh to present here

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and i want to thank tim and i will thank

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him at the end of this too as well so in

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in early november

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u.s senator kristen gillibrand democrat

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out of new york submitted an amendment

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for consideration

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in the fiscal year 2022 national defense

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authorization act ndda hr 4350

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detailing expansive requirements for the

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us military and intelligence community

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in addressing unidentified aerial

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phenomena otherwise known as uaps

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commonly known as

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entitled

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the establishment of structure and

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authorities uh to address unidentified

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aerial phenomena and quote gillibrand's

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proposal

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outlines the establishment of an anomaly

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surveillance tracking and resolution

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office known as astro

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the newly formed office would be

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responsible for extensive investigations

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into reputed sightings of uap

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if passed

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the bill would represent the most

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comprehensive legislation targeting the

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lingering mystery of ufo since the 1969

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closure

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of air forces project blue book

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now

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according to the proposed uap

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legislation in addition to collecting

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and analyzing uap incidents

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the newly formed anomaly surveillance

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tracking and resolution office astro

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would be tasked with investigating

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adverse site

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physiological effects claimed to have

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been caused by uap encounters

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individuals claims of suffering adverse

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health effects represent one of the

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least discussed but most concerning

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aspects

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of claimed uap encounters

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now

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the proposed uap legislation also

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includes a section detailing the

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establishment of a 20-person quote

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aerial and trans-medium phenomena

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advisory committee

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committee members would include persons

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from other us government agencies such

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as nasa

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and the faa along with academic

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organizations like the galileo project

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at harvard university

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so far

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the amendment appears to have strong

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bipartisan support amongst the lawmakers

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first mentioned by researcher douglas

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dean johnson the proposed uap

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legislation has already garnered

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several notable sponsors and co-sponsors

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including senator senator marco rubio

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out of florida

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senator martin heinrich out of new

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mexico and lindsey graham from south

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carolina and senator roy blunt from

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missouri

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now or montana

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missouri mo

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and montana's mt mo is missouri i never

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got that figured out

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now johnson who closely follows uap

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congressional action

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has become a foremost source for current

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updates on uap action on capitol hill

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providing frequent updates on his blog

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and twitter

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johnson says that the bipartisan support

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for the legislation is encouraging but

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not uncommon with national security

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matters

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but cautions that enactment of the

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gillibrand rubio amendment

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is far from a foregone conclusion

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as of november 22nd

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there have been four minor revisions to

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the amendment since initial uh november

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4th introduction the most significant

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revision being a change of name for the

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new uap office

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from the anomaly surveillance and

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resolution office asro

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to the anomaly surveillance tracking and

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resolution office to be named astro

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three separate sources from capitol hill

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who are intimately familiar with the

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legislation told the debrief that they

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expect the name of the new uap office to

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be again changed in upcoming revisions

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the federal aviation administration the

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faa

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the federal bureau of investigation the

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fbi and the department of homeland

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security each fall under different

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executive departments

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outside of the department of defense by

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the way each of those agencies are said

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to be supportive of the current uap

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efforts

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and of those agencies uh

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they have assisted the dod's uap task

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force however

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those departments involvement have been

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at will

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and not mandated by formal policy

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now

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as we await to see if the amendment will

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be included in the 2022 national defense

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authorization act

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ultimately it will be signed

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into law

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by the president now this is uh for me

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and i do want to thank tim mcmullen uh

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mcmillan of the debrief

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for his excellent reporting on this it's

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a great article and visit thedebrief.org

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for his full article it's long it's

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comprehensive and it would have taken me

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two days to go through the whole thing

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here on the air but go and check out

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all of that from tim mcmillan uh over at

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the debrief it's the lead article when

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you go to the website all right now this

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is

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has been

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uh

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all over

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social media and and in this proposal um

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it is very encouraging and for somebody

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like john burroughs that reads this and

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sees this and everything that he has

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gone through uh with randall shim

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through to this day

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and his struggle with uh not only

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uh with uaps but his health issues

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and the specific wording in this

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amendment about uh the health issues and

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things that could and

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and does happen to

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um individuals that

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that encounter and come in contact with

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uaps

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this this is important and and going

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beyond that

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this is a conversation that i have to

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stress that is once again happening

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in our nation's capital

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about ufos and uaps

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and we have we have never been at this

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point in in history

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um is is the government our friend no

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it's through the efforts of of john

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burroughs and others inside of this ufo

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community

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that have absolutely kept this out front

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and part of the conversation

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for decades decades rendell shim was 40

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years ago

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and and i don't want anyone here to

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think that oh

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oh this is happening now and and the

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government is our no the government is

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cooperating with us

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right now because we are forcing

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them to cooperate

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if this community wasn't speaking up

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this community hasn't spoken for the

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last 50 years

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they wouldn't be saying a thing

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and we have to continue to keep our foot

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on the neck of washington dc

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i stress it enough i stress it every day

577
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on this show

578
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and and that's where we are i am so

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happy to see this but we can't rest

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um i have said uh very publicly

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that if we choose

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not only as a community but

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as a world

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to just sit back right now and and think

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that everything is going to take care of

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itself that the hard work is over no the

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hard work has just begun

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we've gotten this this this

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this thing

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to this point

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00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:42,640
we've got to keep the pressure on we

592
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have to keep talking about it

593
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uh movies like the observers and uh

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coming out in a couple of weeks is

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uh

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another film called extraordinary the

597
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:56,399
revelations all of this does its part

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so let's do this together happy

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thanksgiving everybody i am your host

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jimmy church tonight right here

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on this program michael schratt is with

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us

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going to be talking about all that

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secret tech that might be flying in the

605
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skies above us

606
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ufos uaps e.t

607
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yeah all that and much more tomorrow

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night

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margie k is here we're going to be

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talking about midwest ufos and uaps

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wednesday night the one and only dave

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schrader is stopping by for schrader

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and thursday is thanksgiving after

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thanksgiving dinner i'm gonna come into

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the bunker

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and hang out with all of you for open

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lines all night long i'm your host jimmy

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church thanksgiving week here

718
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at fade to black tonight michael stratt

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tomorrow night margie k

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wednesday night dave schrader

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schrader night

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and then thursday

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after thanksgiving dinner i'm gonna come

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00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:47,359
into the bunker and hang out with all of

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you we're gonna have open lines all

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night long

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all right

728
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:53,440
but tonight it's michael schrad joining

729
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:56,079
us to discuss the secret u.s technology

730
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:58,320
that may be in the skies right now and

731
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,359
what are uaps and ufos using for

732
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:03,839
propulsion systems and the ultimate

733
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:04,800
question

734
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:07,359
is it us or them all of that and much

735
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,160
more tonight with michael he is a

736
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:12,640
private pilot military aerospace

737
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,320
historian he has lectured across the

738
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:16,560
country on the unique subject of mystery

739
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,359
aircraft classified propulsion systems

740
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:21,520
and all of the secret stuff in the

741
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:24,000
military-industrial complex he devotes

742
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,079
much of his free time researching

743
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:28,480
aerospace technical documents conducting

744
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:30,800
interviews and traveling to multiple

745
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:34,079
university archives it is his belief it

746
00:36:39,190 --> 00:36:36,640
is our right to question authority and

747
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:39,200
demand an accounting of unacknowledged

748
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:41,440
special access programs that bypass

749
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:43,760
congressional oversight and public

750
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:46,240
scrutiny man that's heavy that's heavy

751
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:47,440
schratt

752
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:50,400
welcome michael how you doing hi

753
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:51,599
hi jimmy

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00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:53,359
and uh

755
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:54,960
you know you've been you've been at this

756
00:36:59,829 --> 00:36:57,359
for so long michael and i enjoy your

757
00:37:03,030 --> 00:36:59,839
company and our conversations but

758
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:03,040
um did you ever expect the conversation

759
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:06,000
of ufos and uaps to be you know a part

760
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:08,640
of the media and pop culture like it is

761
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:09,520
today

762
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:11,680
well i'm i'm glad it is but i still feel

763
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:13,760
we have a long way to go you know i

764
00:37:17,430 --> 00:37:16,000
really do and before we begin jimmy i

765
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:17,440
want to ask you

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00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:20,160
what inspires you to do what you do

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00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:23,520
uh guests like you

768
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:27,520
well see um what what inspires me it is

769
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:30,560
the same thing that that drives you

770
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:33,280
um i have i've seen stuff

771
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:37,520
um i'm confused about what may be in the

772
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:40,720
skies and when you when you see those

773
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:43,280
you know those life-changing paradigm

774
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:45,839
shifting moments right and you see those

775
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,280
and witness them

776
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:49,200
you know that there is something going

777
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:51,920
on and and i've been i've been at this

778
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:54,400
since i was a kid i started this when i

779
00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:56,400
was nine years old

780
00:38:03,109 --> 00:37:58,880
nine years old you know uh you know eric

781
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:03,119
von daniken 1971 1972

782
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:06,000
and uh my best friend at the time his

783
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:07,599
name was john

784
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:10,320
we were into uh science fiction and

785
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:13,920
space 1999 and ufo and

786
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:15,839
the six million dollar man and those

787
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:17,760
things that were happening back then

788
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:21,760
anyway um i went to the library got out

789
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:24,800
an encyclopedia and flipped open and

790
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:26,320
ufos

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and

792
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:35,280
that that's that started the quest you

793
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:38,240
know and i i haven't stopped since

794
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:39,119
wow

795
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:40,640
that's great

796
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:42,480
you have this i'm sure you have the same

797
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:43,920
story

798
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:47,119
basically yeah i mean once it grabs you

799
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,480
and

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00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:50,640
you know if if you really feel inspired

801
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:53,040
and motivated it won't let go it won't

802
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:55,760
let go have you um i don't know if i've

803
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:57,760
asked you this in all the times that we

804
00:39:02,310 --> 00:38:58,720
have talked

805
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:02,320
have you have you had your own sighting

806
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:04,320
only at the test site but i don't think

807
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,000
it was anything extraterrestrial i think

808
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,560
it was a flare so no i have not had a

809
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:10,400
legitimate sighting uh what what test

810
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:11,680
site

811
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:16,000
okay but

812
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:18,720
there's there's a hundred of those which

813
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:19,920
one

814
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:29,510
can you say the words

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00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:30,560
um

816
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:31,760
let's see

817
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:32,880
i

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00:39:41,829 --> 00:39:39,280
ranch

819
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:41,839
wasn't that the original see you're such

820
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:44,079
a traditionalist

821
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:46,079
isn't that what it was called in the

822
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:47,599
when it was first built back in the

823
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:49,920
1950s that's right that's one of the

824
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:52,640
nicknames it had uh dreamland

825
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:55,440
sure one of the nicknames yeah yeah yeah

826
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,240
of course we're talking about area 51.

827
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:00,720
and when you when you say

828
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:02,800
um a flare

829
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:04,480
this is interesting so you have the

830
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:05,680
sighting

831
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:07,680
were you debunking it

832
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:10,079
right in your own mind

833
00:40:15,190 --> 00:40:12,880
i just don't think it was anything

834
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:15,200
you know really interesting no i think

835
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:16,560
it was a flare

836
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:19,200
i could be wrong but what i saw was

837
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:22,240
nothing fantastic or impressive no

838
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:24,400
now i haven't had a hudson valley

839
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:27,839
sighting no i have not well i have i see

840
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:30,160
that um i'm going to share something

841
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:32,319
with you uh the audience has heard this

842
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:33,200
uh

843
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:40,079
palmdale now

844
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:41,040
and

845
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:41,839
uh

846
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:43,920
when i was i'm gonna give you the

847
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:45,839
abridged version i'm just gonna get

848
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:47,680
straight to the chase but when i was

849
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,040
looking for homes um i was down here and

850
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:53,520
i was staying in a in a hotel overnight

851
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:55,440
and meeting my real estate agent the

852
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:56,880
next day

853
00:41:01,190 --> 00:41:00,160
and so that night i was standing out in

854
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:01,200
front

855
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:03,920
of the hotel and i just went man edwards

856
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:06,400
air force base is right there

857
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:09,839
right so i i pop it up on my gps it's

858
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:12,000
like nine o'clock at night i was

859
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:14,160
actually leaving the hotel

860
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:16,720
to go get some fast food

861
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:18,880
okay that that was my plan

862
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:20,960
i i did later so anyway i jump in the

863
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:24,079
jeep and i'm following my gps

864
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,119
and i end up at the south side of

865
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:29,280
edwards at the fence at the fence line

866
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:31,119
you know no trespassing you know all of

867
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:33,040
that warning stuff

868
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:35,680
and and i get out of the jeep and i walk

869
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:38,000
up across the road

870
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:40,240
and and i'm standing there and right in

871
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:41,680
front of me

872
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:44,800
at that moment was this

873
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:47,359
object in the sky

874
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:49,839
that i didn't see at first i only saw

875
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:51,359
the lights on it and it kind of

876
00:41:54,870 --> 00:41:52,560
flickered

877
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:54,880
and then it went

878
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:56,160
and lit up

879
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:58,400
the the bottom of it

880
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:00,839
in this circle and i was

881
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:04,079
like you gotta be kidding me right i

882
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,160
mean i just couldn't believe it

883
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:08,560
and and then it went black couldn't see

884
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:09,599
it

885
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:14,480
fluttered again uh i i don't have

886
00:42:18,309 --> 00:42:16,319
another way to describe it and it did it

887
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,319
again

888
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:20,400
this ring of lights

889
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,200
and so then i grabbed my cell phone i'm

890
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:25,280
ready and nothing happened i stood there

891
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:28,240
for another 25 minutes nothing happened

892
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:29,359
and

893
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:32,800
so i didn't get anyway i get in the jeep

894
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:36,319
and i'm driving back uh to the hotel and

895
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:39,200
i'm debunking it in my mind it was

896
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:41,839
something on top of a pole it's uh

897
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:43,040
it was something you know for the

898
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:46,000
aircraft it was there you know it's some

899
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:48,880
kind of radio tower i'm just

900
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:50,480
you know because man if that was a

901
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:52,800
flying saucer that was crazy

902
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:56,640
so i i i went back the next day uh early

903
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:58,640
in the morning or uh right after

904
00:43:02,309 --> 00:42:59,839
breakfast

905
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:02,319
and i went i'm gonna go back so i

906
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:05,599
followed my gps and i was able to go

907
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:07,920
to the exact spot saw my tire tracks

908
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:09,440
pulled over

909
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:12,000
and uh and went across there's my

910
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:14,079
footprints in the in the dirt

911
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:16,079
and i said and i looked and there's

912
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,920
nothing there

913
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:20,160
it's nothing it's just blue sky and i'm

914
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,599
looking right at the same angle and so

915
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:25,680
where i saw it last night and it wasn't

916
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,640
high

917
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:28,560
it was like straight out in front of me

918
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:30,160
there's nothing there

919
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:31,760
now

920
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:34,960
is is this just palmdale right is this

921
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:36,880
what happened now i haven't seen it

922
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:38,560
again by the way

923
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:40,880
uh i've seen a lot of strange things out

924
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:43,599
here a lot a lot of aircraft a lot of

925
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:44,960
cool things

926
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:47,280
but i haven't seen that particular

927
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:48,800
object again

928
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:51,119
and so when you hear something like that

929
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:54,319
my my thing is if you haven't come hang

930
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:56,000
out in palmdale

931
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:58,240
we'll go we'll go out into the desert

932
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:59,440
and you never know what you're going to

933
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,960
see

934
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,880
well you're in the heart of it there for

935
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:04,400
sure

936
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:09,119
something like that and you know about

937
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:11,359
these secret access programs and all of

938
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:14,000
the facilities that are out here and the

939
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:16,240
testing that goes on not only

940
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:19,040
um in in palmdale but you know uh 10

941
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:21,920
miles to the north at edwards does this

942
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:24,640
does this surprise you

943
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:26,560
it doesn't surprise me jimmy and i have

944
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:28,240
a couple of cases that i want to review

945
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:31,040
with your audience tonight if we can yes

946
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:32,560
yes okay so

947
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:34,560
let's uh let's dive into a couple of

948
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:37,119
historical cases a few of these we've

949
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:38,960
covered before but i think it's it's

950
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:40,560
always good to uh

951
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:43,040
go through again really briefly here so

952
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:45,760
the first case i want to talk about

953
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:49,359
is this famous temple oklahoma case

954
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:52,960
this is now march 23 1966 on the temple

955
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:54,720
oklahoma

956
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:57,200
basically the border there

957
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:59,920
and a man by the name of eddie lackson

958
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:01,920
who was a electrical engineer working at

959
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:03,920
shepherd air force base and you can

960
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:05,839
verify this by going to the national

961
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:07,760
archives in washington dc and you can

962
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:09,599
pull up the project blue book files this

963
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,880
case is there

964
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:12,640
this is my favorite project blue book

965
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,680
case so it's about 505 in the morning

966
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:17,520
he's heading to work

967
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:19,520
and the sun is just coming up he's

968
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,160
heading towards shepard air force base

969
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:24,000
and right in the middle of the road

970
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:25,839
blocking the road

971
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:28,480
which can be described as a bowling pin

972
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:30,079
that tipped over that's what it looks

973
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:31,680
like that's the best way to describe it

974
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:33,920
a bowling pin that tipped over

975
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:37,359
some describe it as a perch or a fish

976
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:38,720
and so

977
00:45:42,790 --> 00:45:41,040
he stops his car he gets out of the

978
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:42,800
vehicle

979
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:46,000
and he's looking at this 75 foot long

980
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:48,800
bowling pin that's blocking the road

981
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:52,560
it's sitting on lunar landing gear legs

982
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:55,280
it has an air stair door on the right

983
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:56,400
hand side

984
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:58,319
on the forward part of the craft there's

985
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:00,240
a bubble canopy that looks like it was

986
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:03,040
stolen off a b-26 from world war ii that

987
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:05,520
big bubble plexiglas canopy that was up

988
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:06,560
at front

989
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:08,480
there were two high-intensity lights

990
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:11,200
shining forward and then two shining

991
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:13,280
down as well now right next to that air

992
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:14,880
stair door

993
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:16,880
there was a man according to eddie

994
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:19,119
lackson there was a man there

995
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:21,920
he had two piece military fatigues on he

996
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:23,920
was wearing a baseball cap with the bill

997
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:25,520
turned up

998
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:29,280
above him and slightly further aft

999
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:31,920
there was this spire

1000
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:34,880
or a stinger that came off the back top

1001
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:37,280
of this craft and tapered back and

1002
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:39,520
terminated into about a nine inch

1003
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:42,079
diameter silver chrome polished mirror

1004
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:43,680
reflective ball

1005
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:46,640
below that spire or stinger there was

1006
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:48,800
another three foot diameter porthole

1007
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:50,079
that had a

1008
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:53,280
divider into four equal pi segments

1009
00:47:01,309 --> 00:46:56,480
just aft of that porthole window jimmy

1010
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:04,630
tl4768 written on this craft

1011
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:07,200
at the very end of this craft

1012
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:09,520
there were very small control surfaces

1013
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:12,240
that appear to be way too small to have

1014
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:13,839
any type of

1015
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:15,520
reaction to flight controls i mean these

1016
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:18,000
things were tiny this thing is 75 feet

1017
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:20,880
long it's about eight feet tall

1018
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:21,680
now

1019
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:24,400
when this man he called him a man

1020
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:27,760
and he also had ranking chevrons on his

1021
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:29,359
shoulder too

1022
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:31,839
in addition to the baseball cap when he

1023
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:33,920
saw that he was being looked at by eddie

1024
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,800
lexton he scurried up that letter he

1025
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:38,880
closed the air stair door and this is

1026
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:41,359
all in the project blue book report and

1027
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:44,000
also david marlar gave me a copy of the

1028
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:46,240
16 page report that he had so we have

1029
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:48,480
multiple sources for this

1030
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:51,839
he closed the door and then eddie lexin

1031
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:53,280
said that there was a high-pitched

1032
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:55,200
drilling noise

1033
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:57,200
this craft hovered off the ground about

1034
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:59,119
six feet and then took off like at a

1035
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:01,200
spark and a grinding meal and made no

1036
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:02,960
sonic boom whatsoever and this is back

1037
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:05,359
in 1966 and

1038
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:08,000
truck driver saw it as well now

1039
00:48:10,549 --> 00:48:09,520
i didn't just stop there because i

1040
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:10,559
pulled up

1041
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,160
because i like to dig deep on this i

1042
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:14,240
pulled up the newspaper article i have

1043
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:15,839
it right in front of me here now this is

1044
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:17,119
i want to give your audience the

1045
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:18,720
reference for this so they can verify it

1046
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:21,040
on their own this is from the daily

1047
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:22,240
oklahoma

1048
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:25,359
march 1 1971. this is eddie lackson

1049
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:28,000
speaking here he says quote

1050
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:31,520
what i saw was definitely not from space

1051
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:33,920
the man was wearing fatigues and had a

1052
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:36,000
cap with the bill broken up like air

1053
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:38,880
force mechanics where lex and said quote

1054
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:41,839
it had common english letters on it he's

1055
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,880
referring to the to4768 so

1056
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:46,960
according to eddie lackson

1057
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:48,960
and the truck drivers that saw it as

1058
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:51,680
well because he wasn't the only witness

1059
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:53,200
it certainly appears to me that we've

1060
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:54,880
made a breakthrough

1061
00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:56,240
now

1062
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:57,200
when

1063
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:00,240
uh and i've got the original files that

1064
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:03,119
you gave me on this case and i've i've

1065
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:05,599
poured over that many times it's

1066
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:09,520
uh it's so interesting but this is what

1067
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:12,240
would suggest to me

1068
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:14,720
is there is some kind of

1069
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:16,480
anti-gravity

1070
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:18,640
propulsion system here that was being

1071
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:21,040
used in the 60s

1072
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:22,880
that would suggest a lot of things that

1073
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:24,880
we're seeing in the skies today i mean

1074
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:26,720
that's what stands out right

1075
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:28,800
well look at what the eyewitnesses are

1076
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:30,400
telling us here they're

1077
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:32,240
every time i hear about one of these

1078
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:35,359
virtually every time i always hear about

1079
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:38,400
just prior to these craft departing or

1080
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:40,079
levitating off the ground they make a

1081
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:42,240
high-pitched drilling noise right and

1082
00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:45,280
then they depart so what i'm thinking is

1083
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:47,440
they're powering something up you know

1084
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:49,760
he he closed this air stair door and

1085
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:51,599
then immediately there was this

1086
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:53,440
high-pitched drilling noise

1087
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:55,119
the frequency went up and then this

1088
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:57,119
thing levitated and took off almost

1089
00:50:02,069 --> 00:49:59,520
every time time after time we we hear

1090
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:02,079
the same thing on almost all these cases

1091
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:03,280
yeah uh

1092
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:06,880
and the traditional things that we would

1093
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:10,800
uh be used to acclimated to uh is

1094
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:13,359
you know jet engines airfoils uh

1095
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:16,240
propellers rocket engines

1096
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:18,000
something uh

1097
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:21,200
analog right if you will

1098
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:22,720
to get these off of the ground and

1099
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:24,880
that's not the case here no that's not

1100
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:26,559
the case because there there were no

1101
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:28,319
visible means of propulsion there were

1102
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:31,920
no wings virtually no flight controls uh

1103
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:34,000
no visible engines so

1104
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:35,440
yeah there there's

1105
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:37,119
someone's made a breakthrough i think

1106
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:38,640
it's clear to say at this point

1107
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:40,640
someone's made a breakthrough now uh

1108
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:44,319
before we move on um where do you think

1109
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:46,160
this breakthrough

1110
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:51,910
good old-fashioned american ingenuity

1111
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:53,359
i really do you're gonna go i think

1112
00:50:56,549 --> 00:50:55,200
they've they've poured billions into

1113
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:56,559
this and we're going to get something

1114
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:58,640
for our money and you can track the

1115
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:01,119
historical legacy of this research going

1116
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:02,319
all the way through the newspaper

1117
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:03,359
clippings

1118
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:07,920
october 1954 1955 they had multiple

1119
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:10,079
universities working to quote unquote

1120
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:12,559
crack the gravity barrier you hooked

1121
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:14,400
that up with lonnie zamora's case there

1122
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:16,000
was also a high-pitched drilling noise

1123
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:18,559
there as well and then an exhaust nozzle

1124
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:20,400
with blue flames coming out of the

1125
00:51:24,069 --> 00:51:22,160
bottom up just doesn't sound like

1126
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,079
extraterrestrial

1127
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:26,640
so when you put this all together and

1128
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:27,520
you

1129
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:31,920
clippings how they were desperate

1130
00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:34,079
literally desperate to break the gravity

1131
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:36,319
barrier to me personally it's clear that

1132
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:37,680
they've made a breakthrough it's just

1133
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:41,040
it's very clear now what about um uh

1134
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:42,880
the the current tech that we know about

1135
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:45,440
i'm specifically talking like the b2

1136
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:46,800
bomber

1137
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:47,920
where

1138
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:52,000
um it seems to me i'm not uh an engineer

1139
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:54,960
or a technician uh at any level

1140
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:57,040
but it seems like there is some

1141
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:59,280
technology there that goes beyond jet

1142
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,559
engines

1143
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:02,480
i've heard those

1144
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:04,720
thoughts as well uh that's a little bit

1145
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:06,880
difficult to pin down i've seen the

1146
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:09,599
patents that are allegedly associated

1147
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:11,760
with that but

1148
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:13,359
i've also heard that it's just plain

1149
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:15,520
old-fashioned jet engines as well it

1150
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:18,079
could be something else don't know don't

1151
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:21,119
know i'd leave that open but you know

1152
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:23,440
certainly there's multiple tiers of this

1153
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:24,880
technology you've got your garden

1154
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:28,640
variety vanilla f-16s f-15s you've got

1155
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:31,119
b2s that were you know partially black

1156
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:32,960
at one time then went you know kind of

1157
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:34,720
in the gray world and then there's that

1158
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:37,280
third tier that our good friend mark

1159
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:39,920
mccandless had talked about

1160
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:41,520
and uh

1161
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:42,559
when

1162
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:43,839
uh

1163
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:47,440
when you hear the the the testimony the

1164
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:49,520
eyewitness accounts

1165
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:51,599
of the tic-tac

1166
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:55,839
does that suggest to you um anti-gravity

1167
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:58,079
technology in our possession

1168
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:00,000
well think about this if they if they

1169
00:53:04,870 --> 00:53:02,960
made the breakthrough in october 1954

1170
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:04,880
and they've been pumping billions of

1171
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:07,599
dollars into this and they are desperate

1172
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:10,480
as desperate or more desperate

1173
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:12,720
than building the atomic bomb and

1174
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:14,240
they've thrown all this research and all

1175
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:15,680
this money into it

1176
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:17,680
they are going to procure for something

1177
00:53:21,270 --> 00:53:20,000
for their money it's there's no question

1178
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:21,280
about it

1179
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:22,960
you know to think that

1180
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:26,160
the b1 or the b2 is the best we've got i

1181
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:28,400
think just goes against the logic of

1182
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:30,960
what's been done what's been spent

1183
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:34,319
now uh how would uh

1184
00:53:37,589 --> 00:53:35,839
i want your

1185
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:37,599
theory on this

1186
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:40,160
how would an anti-gravity propulsion

1187
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:44,800
system run and uh and

1188
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:47,440
what what's the fuel source i mean this

1189
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:49,760
isn't this isn't a briggs and stratton

1190
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:51,599
motor right where it's

1191
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:53,119
way beyond that

1192
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:56,880
so well what i've been told is that the

1193
00:54:01,750 --> 00:53:58,880
first rule and i don't want to get too

1194
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:01,760
deep here but the first rule is

1195
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:04,880
throw out newtonian physics that's the

1196
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:06,319
first rule

1197
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:09,040
think more in terms of quantum physics

1198
00:54:12,790 --> 00:54:10,800
that's what we have to look at

1199
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:12,800
you know throw out newtonian physics all

1200
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:14,960
together these craft do not

1201
00:54:18,549 --> 00:54:17,440
operate on the laws of newtonian physics

1202
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:18,559
we're talking about a completely

1203
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:20,480
different ball game here

1204
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:21,280
well

1205
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:24,400
okay so i could i could understand

1206
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:27,680
getting away from newtonian physics and

1207
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:30,240
even though his his

1208
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:33,760
his um his math on gravity is still

1209
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:36,480
applies today right okay so

1210
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:39,040
but if we get away from newtonians

1211
00:54:42,789 --> 00:54:41,839
what what would it be though

1212
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:42,799
well

1213
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:45,119
part of it is going to be high voltage

1214
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:47,200
electrical fields that's one the other

1215
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:49,839
part of it is going to be super chilled

1216
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:53,280
superconductors down to -274

1217
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:55,280
and in order to do that you need liquid

1218
00:54:58,789 --> 00:54:56,480
nitrogen

1219
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:58,799
and that could be why we're seeing on

1220
00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:00,880
the bottom of these craft all these

1221
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:03,200
tubes pipes and cylinders

1222
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:06,720
as a way to move and cool and super

1223
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:08,720
chill these superconductors now that's

1224
00:55:12,789 --> 00:55:11,040
just my thought i could be wrong but if

1225
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:12,799
you look at the testimony of all these

1226
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:14,480
eyewitnesses you go back to the hudson

1227
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:16,960
valley boomerang go back to the january

1228
00:55:21,150 --> 00:55:19,680
5th 2000 southern illinois triangle you

1229
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:21,160
can go back to the

1230
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:24,400
1989-1990 belgium triangle they all have

1231
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:26,640
this tapestry and motif that goes

1232
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:28,400
through all these cases even though

1233
00:55:33,190 --> 00:55:30,880
they're separated by time and space we

1234
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:33,200
keep hearing the same eyewitness

1235
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:35,200
accounts of the under structure of these

1236
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:37,200
craft are full

1237
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:39,599
of pipes and cylinders

1238
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:41,440
some describe these things as looking

1239
00:55:46,789 --> 00:55:44,559
like stacked legos a very mechanical

1240
00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:46,799
under structure on these vehicles

1241
00:55:51,109 --> 00:55:48,559
now uh

1242
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:51,119
and and staying with this

1243
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:52,720
there has been

1244
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:55,440
um a lot of conversation and evidence

1245
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:57,599
going back to world war ii

1246
00:56:02,069 --> 00:55:59,839
um about uh

1247
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:02,079
fast spinning you know liquid mercury

1248
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:04,160
and mercury and and

1249
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:08,319
uh electromagnetic and magnets uh

1250
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:10,559
rotating at a high rpm

1251
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:15,040
uh to create uh an antigravitic

1252
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:18,400
uh situation but then we have operation

1253
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:19,760
paperclip

1254
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:20,720
and

1255
00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:23,200
did that were the origins where the

1256
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:25,119
progenators um

1257
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:28,400
in germany that was brought over here

1258
00:56:31,829 --> 00:56:30,079
well that's always been the legend

1259
00:56:34,710 --> 00:56:31,839
hasn't it jimmy yes that's always been

1260
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:34,720
the legend and personally i feel there's

1261
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:37,760
a kernel of truth to that legend yes i

1262
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:38,559
do

1263
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:41,520
yes and which would go back to

1264
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:45,119
mechanical uh you know ingenuity or did

1265
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:46,880
it come from somewhere else

1266
00:56:52,630 --> 00:56:50,720
um i i i know that von braun's uh boss

1267
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:52,640
over in germany said that

1268
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:54,720
uh over here in the united states that

1269
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:57,440
we had help but the help came from above

1270
00:57:01,990 --> 00:56:59,040
that's right i remember hearing that too

1271
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:02,000
yes and and

1272
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:04,240
would that surprise you

1273
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:06,160
it wouldn't surprise me although that's

1274
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:08,240
hard to prove isn't it that's the 64

1275
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,000
million dollar question have we had help

1276
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:12,720
and can we prove it well then we prove

1277
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:14,240
it the

1278
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:17,040
the jumps if we go back you brought up

1279
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:20,559
mark mccandless and these jumps these

1280
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:23,680
leaps in in technology were happening

1281
00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:26,960
very very quickly when the rest of the

1282
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:29,200
world was trying to figure out you know

1283
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:31,760
a microwave oven and i'm talking about

1284
00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:35,280
the 50s and 60s but yet

1285
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:38,559
huge gems in technology were going on in

1286
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:41,599
the background and i it

1287
00:57:44,710 --> 00:57:43,200
where where does this come from is

1288
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:44,720
somebody just

1289
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:46,480
let me let me try to

1290
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:48,400
dive into that a little bit too okay so

1291
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:53,440
you you'll recall that in july of 1977

1292
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:55,599
leonard stringfield gave a lecture at

1293
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:57,920
the international mufon symposium just

1294
00:58:01,750 --> 00:57:59,680
down the road from wright-patterson air

1295
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:01,760
force base coincidentally during that

1296
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:03,040
time frame

1297
00:58:05,910 --> 00:58:03,920
now

1298
00:58:07,109 --> 00:58:05,920
this was a groundbreaking presentation

1299
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:07,119
because the whole

1300
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:09,599
terminology of ufo crash retrievals back

1301
00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:13,440
in 77 was still basically brand new

1302
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:15,440
it was really brand new and so

1303
00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:17,440
during the lecture

1304
00:58:21,750 --> 00:58:19,920
when leonard is talking about

1305
00:58:23,589 --> 00:58:21,760
some of these cases from his status

1306
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:23,599
reports which are now available on

1307
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:25,839
amazon you can get the entire

1308
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:27,520
five four or five

1309
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:30,160
uh status reports in one volume now and

1310
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:31,920
you can read all about it's really good

1311
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:33,440
good material

1312
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:36,400
well during maybe about 50 into his

1313
00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:39,359
lecture there were hecklers at the mufon

1314
00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:42,079
symposium because people they just

1315
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:43,599
couldn't handle this

1316
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:45,359
they you know they were thinking where's

1317
00:58:48,309 --> 00:58:47,119
your documentation where is your proof

1318
00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:48,319
and of course

1319
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:51,599
leonard didn't have the resources to

1320
00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:53,760
verify every one of the i mean we were

1321
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:55,440
talking hundreds of thousands of dollars

1322
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:57,359
to do this and

1323
00:59:02,069 --> 00:58:59,760
the agreement was that he would never

1324
00:59:04,069 --> 00:59:02,079
reveal the names of his sources and so

1325
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:04,079
you can understand why the audience was

1326
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:05,280
really upset

1327
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:06,960
i mean he's making these incredible

1328
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:07,920
claims

1329
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:10,079
and we we don't have a name to tie it to

1330
00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:13,040
or a way to verify and it's always

1331
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:14,799
always been the case so

1332
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:17,520
it was a frustrating and richard hall

1333
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:21,280
who's now deceased he had to step in and

1334
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:23,440
remind the audience that

1335
00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:25,119
this was

1336
00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:28,640
you know the best speculation based on

1337
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:30,960
these alleged first-hand eyewitnesses

1338
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:33,680
that saw the bodies that saw the craft

1339
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:35,760
and were on the retrieval teams that's

1340
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:38,240
the caliber of witnesses that leonard

1341
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:40,160
had been speaking to now

1342
00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:43,839
you'll recall that in 2012 there were 78

1343
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:45,359
three-ring binders

1344
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:48,480
that were delivered to mufon hq

1345
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:50,880
and that's been available to researchers

1346
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:53,040
i was able to get access to the binders

1347
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:55,440
and i spent three days going through all

1348
00:59:58,950 --> 00:59:56,559
of those

1349
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:58,960
and very strange thing happened jimmy

1350
01:00:03,190 --> 01:00:00,640
maybe this happened to you

1351
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:03,200
i have never in my life

1352
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:04,559
felt

1353
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:07,040
hours go by like minutes

1354
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:08,400
i'm serious

1355
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:10,079
hours went by my

1356
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:11,520
like minutes when i was going through

1357
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:13,280
these binders now

1358
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:16,720
to boil this all down there was one case

1359
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:19,680
within these 78 three ring binders

1360
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:20,880
which is the

1361
01:00:23,910 --> 01:00:22,480
part of the historical collection of

1362
01:00:25,750 --> 01:00:23,920
leonard stringfield

1363
01:00:27,910 --> 01:00:25,760
there was one case that i think really

1364
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:27,920
stands out it really stands out now this

1365
01:00:36,150 --> 01:00:29,520
is

1366
01:00:38,309 --> 01:00:36,160
december 1963 literally weeks after

1367
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:38,319
kennedy was s was assassinated november

1368
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:41,520
22nd 1963 and it's funny because today

1369
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:44,480
is november 22nd so right maybe there's

1370
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:46,000
something there

1371
01:00:50,309 --> 01:00:49,200
so this marine is he's a awoken from a

1372
01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:50,319
deep sleep

1373
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:51,760
and this is in the leonard springfield

1374
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:54,960
collection he is told to board a plane

1375
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:57,040
that had blacked out windows

1376
01:01:01,349 --> 01:00:59,280
and he flew in this plane from cherry

1377
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:01,359
point north carolina

1378
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:03,599
three hours to some location that he

1379
01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:05,200
doesn't know he didn't even know where

1380
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:06,640
this thing was could have been a navy

1381
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:08,319
facility now i'm gonna jump in right

1382
01:01:12,789 --> 01:01:10,480
there we need to take a break okay

1383
01:01:14,789 --> 01:01:12,799
that's a perfect spot to do it because

1384
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:14,799
i'm on the edge of my seat

1385
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:17,760
our guest tonight michael schrad

1386
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:19,440
we're gonna be talking about all of that

1387
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:21,359
secret stuff that may be going on in the

1388
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:24,240
skies directly above our heads right now

1389
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:25,760
this is faded black i'm yours jimmy

1390
01:01:34,410 --> 01:01:41,990
[Music]

1391
01:01:45,670 --> 01:01:44,150
you're listening to jimmy church and

1392
01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:45,680
fade to black

1393
01:02:01,589 --> 01:01:58,549
way out here we listen to jimmy church

1394
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:01,599
you're listening to fade to black

1395
01:02:06,150 --> 01:02:03,520
always on the edge of the hottest

1396
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:06,160
alternative talk jimmy church with fade

1397
01:02:09,370 --> 01:02:14,589
[Applause]

1398
01:02:14,599 --> 01:02:20,590
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1399
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:21,670
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01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:25,440
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01:02:30,309 --> 01:02:27,680
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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black i'm your host

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jimmy church tonight michael schrad

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joins us

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spent all of his time researching

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aerospace technical documents that's

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what he does

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what a wealth of knowledge and uh right

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before the break uh we were talking

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about the 1963

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uh marine case michael

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before we get back to that uh i just got

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this uh text

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and uh does michael have any ideas on

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the mirror-like finish heat shields on

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an f-22 raptor flying out of nellis do

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you know anything about that

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uh i can't say that i do no okay uh that

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that's interesting though that's that's

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uh michael's taking notes

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michael's taking notes let's get okay so

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what happen 1963

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marine uh gets woken up and and put on a

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plane and flown to where

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okay so he's put on a plane with blacked

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out windows and he's flown three hours

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from cherry point north carolina they

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land at a location that not even he knew

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where it was so it could have been a

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navy facility it could have been an army

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facility could have been an air force

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01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:06,160
facility he was never told where this

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was so we don't know where this was

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but it was three hours by plane from

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cherry point north carolina that we do

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know that so

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he gets off the plane

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he goes to this building they open up

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these two bypass doors

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and jimmy's sitting right in the center

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of this we can call it a hanger

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is a 40-foot diameter highly polished

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mirror reflective flying saucer that

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looked like a fat hamburger 40 feet in

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diameter was 15 feet tall the entire

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area was very well lit extremely well

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lit

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uh

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literally no shadows on the ground very

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well lit

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around the outer circumference jimmy

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01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:50,960
there were nine elliptically shaped

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windows that were smoky gray in color

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they were opaque you could not see into

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01:08:59,669 --> 01:08:57,600
the craft because they were just too

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01:09:01,669 --> 01:08:59,679
dark and he also said

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01:09:04,709 --> 01:09:01,679
i interviewed the gentleman who actually

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01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:04,719
interviewed the marine i know his name

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01:09:07,349 --> 01:09:06,239
and i've been trying to track this guy

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down so

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he said that there was a one-inch lip

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between the outer

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01:09:16,550 --> 01:09:14,080
skin of the craft itself and the outer

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01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:16,560
part of the window of the smoky colored

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01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:18,960
elliptical windows so there's a one-inch

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01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:21,839
lip there okay now he also said this is

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01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:23,279
interesting

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01:09:29,510 --> 01:09:26,560
the entire craft was propped up above

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01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:29,520
the hanger floor on scaffolding

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01:09:33,910 --> 01:09:31,440
and they built a catwalk around this

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01:09:35,910 --> 01:09:33,920
thing a round catwalk so that you could

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01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:35,920
walk around this thing and then you

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01:09:40,070 --> 01:09:38,000
could walk under it as well so they had

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01:09:42,630 --> 01:09:40,080
these lab coat technicians

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01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:42,640
that were walking around this under this

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01:09:45,590 --> 01:09:43,839
craft

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01:09:46,789 --> 01:09:45,600
and he said that at the very bottom of

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01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:46,799
the craft

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01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:49,279
there was a hatch entryway

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01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:51,600
that was so fully integrated into the

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01:09:55,510 --> 01:09:53,120
skin of the craft you could not put a

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01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:55,520
razor blade into it that's how tight

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01:09:59,830 --> 01:09:57,920
this the seams were on this thing okay

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01:10:02,630 --> 01:09:59,840
now next thing is

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01:10:04,149 --> 01:10:02,640
he also mentioned that during this time

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01:10:06,229 --> 01:10:04,159
frame that he was there he was guarding

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01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:06,239
this thing his job was to guard this

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01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:08,400
craft for a period of two weeks and he

1567
01:10:11,830 --> 01:10:09,840
mentioned that

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01:10:14,790 --> 01:10:11,840
there were multiple times where he saw

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01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:14,800
these white lab coat technicians

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01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:16,560
they were trying to breach the hull of

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01:10:22,390 --> 01:10:19,440
this craft so the first thing they tried

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01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:22,400
was a diamond tip drill bit that didn't

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01:10:25,189 --> 01:10:23,280
work

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01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:25,199
i mean literally made no effect

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01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:27,199
whatsoever then they tried an acetylene

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01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:30,480
torch that didn't work then he said

1577
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:31,840
the last thing they tried is they

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01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:33,760
brought in two 18-wheeler tractor

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01:10:38,950 --> 01:10:36,320
trailers each had a very high voltage

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01:10:41,510 --> 01:10:38,960
electrical power source on it and then

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01:10:43,990 --> 01:10:41,520
they had these three-inch gauge wide

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01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:44,000
thick cables that ran from the trailer

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01:10:47,669 --> 01:10:45,520
into this hangar

1584
01:10:49,990 --> 01:10:47,679
and they were using a laser and they

1585
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:50,000
tried to breach or cut into the whole of

1586
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:52,000
this craft with a laser and that didn't

1587
01:10:56,550 --> 01:10:53,520
work either

1588
01:10:59,350 --> 01:10:56,560
he also heard quote unquote bodies

1589
01:11:02,229 --> 01:10:59,360
associated with this craft and in one

1590
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:02,239
instance but only one instance

1591
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:04,320
just one time only

1592
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:07,120
he was left alone with this craft he had

1593
01:11:11,510 --> 01:11:09,760
a small minox camera jimmy and he

1594
01:11:12,630 --> 01:11:11,520
actually snapped a photograph of this

1595
01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:12,640
thing

1596
01:11:17,830 --> 01:11:14,880
he actually took a photograph

1597
01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:17,840
all right now he also mentioned that

1598
01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:19,760
painted directly below this craft there

1599
01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:21,520
was a white circle

1600
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:24,560
and his job was to shoot to kill not ask

1601
01:11:28,229 --> 01:11:26,400
questions but shoot to kill anyone who

1602
01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:28,239
attempted to breach that circle there

1603
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:30,400
was a u.s navy admiral who was walking

1604
01:11:35,110 --> 01:11:32,640
up to this thing he got within seconds

1605
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:35,120
of being shot by this marine

1606
01:11:39,669 --> 01:11:37,440
all right the last day he was there he

1607
01:11:42,790 --> 01:11:39,679
saw this craft being loaded on a

1608
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:42,800
18-wheeler tractor trailer they put a

1609
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:45,360
tarp over the craft they put chains over

1610
01:11:48,709 --> 01:11:46,880
the tarp and we're moving it to the

1611
01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:48,719
other location now what happened to the

1612
01:11:52,470 --> 01:11:50,800
photo right right

1613
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:52,480
according to the gentleman that i

1614
01:11:57,510 --> 01:11:54,800
interviewed who interviewed this marine

1615
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:57,520
that photograph was lost in a flood in

1616
01:11:59,990 --> 01:11:59,040
1983

1617
01:12:02,470 --> 01:12:00,000
so

1618
01:12:05,590 --> 01:12:02,480
this evidence that we're all looking for

1619
01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:05,600
is always two steps ahead of us however

1620
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:08,000
it doesn't quite end there i was able to

1621
01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:11,760
secure actual sketches of the craft from

1622
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:14,400
the marine and also from the gentleman

1623
01:12:19,189 --> 01:12:16,320
who uh interviewed this marine so i've

1624
01:12:22,950 --> 01:12:19,199
got two sets of sketches i've got about

1625
01:12:25,590 --> 01:12:22,960
10 pages of handwritten notes describing

1626
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:25,600
this whole encounter in great detail

1627
01:12:29,669 --> 01:12:27,120
stuff that leonard springfield didn't

1628
01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:29,679
have so i ended up doing an autocad

1629
01:12:33,750 --> 01:12:31,600
drawing of the craft itself showing the

1630
01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:33,760
attempted points of entry and then i

1631
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:35,679
also did another autocad drawing showing

1632
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:38,560
this craft propped up on scaffolding and

1633
01:12:41,830 --> 01:12:40,800
then commissioned artwork full-color

1634
01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:41,840
artwork

1635
01:12:47,030 --> 01:12:45,280
showing the engineers and military mps

1636
01:12:48,310 --> 01:12:47,040
surrounding this craft propped up on the

1637
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:48,320
scaffolding

1638
01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:51,040
and just got done today commissioning

1639
01:12:55,669 --> 01:12:53,520
new artwork where we did an enlarged

1640
01:12:56,870 --> 01:12:55,679
blow up showing one of these lab coat

1641
01:12:59,110 --> 01:12:56,880
technicians

1642
01:13:00,790 --> 01:12:59,120
with a diamond tip drill bit attempting

1643
01:13:03,430 --> 01:13:00,800
to breach the whole of this crap so this

1644
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:03,440
is all december 1963.

1645
01:13:08,790 --> 01:13:07,040
now uh okay so the questions are many

1646
01:13:11,030 --> 01:13:08,800
uh yes if they're trying to breach the

1647
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:11,040
hull that means it's not ours

1648
01:13:15,669 --> 01:13:13,120
where where did where did it come from

1649
01:13:18,630 --> 01:13:15,679
was it a crash was it given he was never

1650
01:13:20,630 --> 01:13:18,640
told he was never told he was never told

1651
01:13:23,030 --> 01:13:20,640
where it came his job was strictly to

1652
01:13:27,189 --> 01:13:23,040
guard it for two weeks that's it did he

1653
01:13:29,270 --> 01:13:27,199
ever did he ever say why him why he was

1654
01:13:31,750 --> 01:13:29,280
because he had he had a high level

1655
01:13:32,870 --> 01:13:31,760
security clearance and he had apparently

1656
01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:32,880
some type of

1657
01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:35,600
uh nuclear clearance as well so he was

1658
01:13:40,229 --> 01:13:37,440
well suited for that job

1659
01:13:42,630 --> 01:13:40,239
did he ever go inside of the craft nope

1660
01:13:44,709 --> 01:13:42,640
nope nope nope i don't know if anyone

1661
01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:44,719
ever went inside i mean i've got his

1662
01:13:48,070 --> 01:13:45,600
sketch

1663
01:13:50,550 --> 01:13:48,080
where it shows this entry hatch and then

1664
01:13:52,070 --> 01:13:50,560
these dots right on the seam of this

1665
01:13:54,149 --> 01:13:52,080
entry hatch that's where they were

1666
01:13:56,470 --> 01:13:54,159
putting that diamond chip drill bit and

1667
01:13:59,669 --> 01:13:56,480
they could not get into this thing

1668
01:14:02,390 --> 01:14:01,510
where where was it

1669
01:14:06,709 --> 01:14:02,400
okay

1670
01:14:07,590 --> 01:14:06,719
so three hours uh from the east coast

1671
01:14:09,270 --> 01:14:07,600
um

1672
01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:09,280
that says to me

1673
01:14:12,830 --> 01:14:10,640
the first thing that comes to mind is

1674
01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:12,840
right

1675
01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:14,800
pat well

1676
01:14:19,110 --> 01:14:17,360
it wouldn't have taken that long to well

1677
01:14:21,189 --> 01:14:19,120
they could have brought it there but the

1678
01:14:23,990 --> 01:14:21,199
question is where did this actually take

1679
01:14:26,149 --> 01:14:24,000
place that's the real question so if you

1680
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:26,159
draw a circumference a radius from that

1681
01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:27,360
point now

1682
01:14:33,189 --> 01:14:30,480
here's what i try to do what evidence

1683
01:14:35,669 --> 01:14:33,199
supporting evidence can we find to

1684
01:14:36,870 --> 01:14:35,679
actually verify this case is there

1685
01:14:39,030 --> 01:14:36,880
anything

1686
01:14:40,950 --> 01:14:39,040
that can help to verify this

1687
01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:40,960
two years ago jimmy

1688
01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:43,280
charlotte mann who's intimately

1689
01:14:48,870 --> 01:14:45,280
connected to the cape girardeau crash

1690
01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:48,880
retrieval story of april 1941. she gave

1691
01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:51,360
a lecture at iufoc

1692
01:14:56,950 --> 01:14:53,760
she said some things in her lecture that

1693
01:14:58,630 --> 01:14:56,960
i don't think anybody else picked up on

1694
01:15:00,550 --> 01:14:58,640
which i'm surprised at

1695
01:15:02,709 --> 01:15:00,560
so what she talked about

1696
01:15:03,830 --> 01:15:02,719
is she mentioned that she was very good

1697
01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:03,840
friends

1698
01:15:08,790 --> 01:15:06,880
with four-star major general melvin f

1699
01:15:10,470 --> 01:15:08,800
mcnichol he was the base commander at

1700
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:10,480
tinker air force base

1701
01:15:14,390 --> 01:15:13,199
and i've got his obituary here he's a

1702
01:15:17,590 --> 01:15:14,400
real man

1703
01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:17,600
the daily oklahoma july 11 1986 that's

1704
01:15:21,750 --> 01:15:19,440
the reference for this

1705
01:15:25,430 --> 01:15:21,760
tinker commander melvin mcnichol dies

1706
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:25,440
daley oklahoma july 11th 1986.

1707
01:15:28,070 --> 01:15:26,400
so

1708
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:28,080
here's the part that brings charlotte

1709
01:15:32,149 --> 01:15:29,760
man into this

1710
01:15:34,709 --> 01:15:32,159
charlotte man was very good friends with

1711
01:15:37,669 --> 01:15:34,719
this melvin mcnichol

1712
01:15:39,669 --> 01:15:37,679
and they both had an interest in ufos

1713
01:15:41,030 --> 01:15:39,679
so charlotte came to the general and

1714
01:15:42,630 --> 01:15:41,040
said general

1715
01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:42,640
you know we've been friends for years

1716
01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:44,320
now and we both have this mutual

1717
01:15:48,310 --> 01:15:46,080
interest in ufos

1718
01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:48,320
can you tell me anything can you can you

1719
01:15:51,830 --> 01:15:49,760
give me anything i mean we've been

1720
01:15:53,669 --> 01:15:51,840
friends for years and you've you've

1721
01:15:56,070 --> 01:15:53,679
never even told me anything are we still

1722
01:15:57,510 --> 01:15:56,080
friends anymore so he turns to charlotte

1723
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:57,520
and says charlotte

1724
01:16:03,189 --> 01:16:00,800
if you ever repeat if you ever repeat

1725
01:16:05,750 --> 01:16:03,199
what i'm about to tell you

1726
01:16:06,790 --> 01:16:05,760
not only will i deny it it could ruin my

1727
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:06,800
career

1728
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:09,679
and so he proceeds to tell charlotte the

1729
01:16:16,149 --> 01:16:12,640
following things number one

1730
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:16,159
he did see a ufo and it was in quote

1731
01:16:20,709 --> 01:16:18,880
unquote the west okay

1732
01:16:24,390 --> 01:16:20,719
second thing he told her is

1733
01:16:26,229 --> 01:16:24,400
that they had propped this flying saucer

1734
01:16:28,630 --> 01:16:26,239
up on scaffolding and they built a

1735
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:28,640
catwalk around it isn't that interesting

1736
01:16:32,709 --> 01:16:30,640
then he said that

1737
01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:32,719
there were bodies recovered and one was

1738
01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:35,040
still alive jimmy this is nearly

1739
01:16:39,830 --> 01:16:37,679
identical to what the marine

1740
01:16:41,669 --> 01:16:39,840
told the gentleman uh who eventually got

1741
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:41,679
in contact with leonard stringfield he

1742
01:16:46,229 --> 01:16:43,920
talked about this catwalk that they

1743
01:16:47,910 --> 01:16:46,239
built they had scaffolding

1744
01:16:49,669 --> 01:16:47,920
they propped it up on scaffolding you

1745
01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:49,679
could walk around this thing it was in

1746
01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:52,159
the west so if you if you fly from three

1747
01:16:56,870 --> 01:16:54,320
hours by cherry point north carolina

1748
01:16:58,390 --> 01:16:56,880
three hours that puts you in the range

1749
01:17:00,550 --> 01:16:58,400
of the west

1750
01:17:02,630 --> 01:17:00,560
it's a stretch but it puts you within

1751
01:17:03,750 --> 01:17:02,640
range of the west so that checks out and

1752
01:17:04,630 --> 01:17:03,760
then

1753
01:17:06,310 --> 01:17:04,640
the

1754
01:17:08,390 --> 01:17:06,320
comments of bodies being recovered and

1755
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:08,400
one was still alive that checks out too

1756
01:17:12,709 --> 01:17:10,320
so these two people separated by time

1757
01:17:14,390 --> 01:17:12,719
space are confirming virtually the

1758
01:17:17,350 --> 01:17:14,400
identical story when i heard that from

1759
01:17:19,430 --> 01:17:17,360
charlotte i said boom i got it i got it

1760
01:17:22,149 --> 01:17:19,440
well okay so

1761
01:17:24,310 --> 01:17:22,159
when you when you say good old-fashioned

1762
01:17:26,630 --> 01:17:24,320
ingenuity right

1763
01:17:28,550 --> 01:17:26,640
right okay i don't discount that we've

1764
01:17:32,470 --> 01:17:28,560
got a lot of bright people here

1765
01:17:34,310 --> 01:17:32,480
right um but that's 1963

1766
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:34,320
and

1767
01:17:38,709 --> 01:17:36,719
that propulsion system whatever it is we

1768
01:17:41,189 --> 01:17:38,719
may not have understood it but it would

1769
01:17:44,229 --> 01:17:41,199
have given us ideas

1770
01:17:46,630 --> 01:17:44,239
sure sure now correct now uh going back

1771
01:17:49,669 --> 01:17:46,640
to this marine did he say i understand

1772
01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:49,679
the propped up was there anything

1773
01:17:54,390 --> 01:17:52,719
uh any any landing gear you know from

1774
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:54,400
there no

1775
01:17:58,950 --> 01:17:56,400
just think of think of a

1776
01:18:02,390 --> 01:17:58,960
a big mac a whopper

1777
01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:02,400
but chrome aluminum sort of elliptical

1778
01:18:06,550 --> 01:18:04,400
shape with elliptical shaped windows

1779
01:18:07,990 --> 01:18:06,560
nine elliptical shaped windows wrapped

1780
01:18:09,430 --> 01:18:08,000
around the outer circumference of the

1781
01:18:11,669 --> 01:18:09,440
crab that's what the craft looked like

1782
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:11,679
it looked like a fat hamburger with

1783
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:15,040
opaque windows and then a hatchway on

1784
01:18:18,630 --> 01:18:16,239
the bottom

1785
01:18:21,830 --> 01:18:18,640
that was as tight

1786
01:18:24,470 --> 01:18:21,840
as the giza plateau in cairo where you

1787
01:18:26,709 --> 01:18:24,480
cannot put a razor blade into the seams

1788
01:18:28,709 --> 01:18:26,719
of the of the blocks there that's how

1789
01:18:31,270 --> 01:18:28,719
fully integrated these seams were into

1790
01:18:32,470 --> 01:18:31,280
the craft now when uh

1791
01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:32,480
uh

1792
01:18:37,030 --> 01:18:34,960
dr eric davis had that

1793
01:18:38,950 --> 01:18:37,040
famous quote last year in the new york

1794
01:18:41,110 --> 01:18:38,960
times where he said

1795
01:18:43,750 --> 01:18:41,120
well the quote was attributed to him or

1796
01:18:46,790 --> 01:18:43,760
he said that he briefed the senate

1797
01:18:49,590 --> 01:18:46,800
intelligence committee and told them

1798
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:49,600
that we have uh

1799
01:18:52,830 --> 01:18:50,480
uh

1800
01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:52,840
vehicles not of this earth in our

1801
01:18:56,709 --> 01:18:55,120
possession and well

1802
01:18:59,189 --> 01:18:56,719
yeah right

1803
01:19:00,630 --> 01:18:59,199
yeah well this if we're to believe the

1804
01:19:02,870 --> 01:19:00,640
marine

1805
01:19:05,430 --> 01:19:02,880
it seems like it could be a possibility

1806
01:19:07,669 --> 01:19:05,440
but again how do we prove this all all

1807
01:19:09,910 --> 01:19:07,679
roads appear to lead to wright-patterson

1808
01:19:12,229 --> 01:19:09,920
air force base however

1809
01:19:15,270 --> 01:19:12,239
there also appears to be

1810
01:19:17,910 --> 01:19:15,280
temporary holding repositories for

1811
01:19:20,070 --> 01:19:17,920
bodies and debris and craft at langley

1812
01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:20,080
air force base mcdill air force base and

1813
01:19:24,390 --> 01:19:22,400
homestead florida as well so if if you

1814
01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:24,400
could ever get to the vaults there you

1815
01:19:28,950 --> 01:19:26,719
might find something there too now uh

1816
01:19:30,950 --> 01:19:28,960
and and what about edwards and i was

1817
01:19:33,110 --> 01:19:30,960
reading something about edwards uh

1818
01:19:35,430 --> 01:19:33,120
earlier today about a crash retrieval

1819
01:19:37,270 --> 01:19:35,440
that happened to the north of edwards

1820
01:19:39,830 --> 01:19:37,280
air force base

1821
01:19:45,669 --> 01:19:39,840
uh edwards plays a big role in this

1822
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:47,910
yeah um uh

1823
01:19:53,590 --> 01:19:51,360
if you were a betting man

1824
01:19:56,550 --> 01:19:53,600
would you would you say that the

1825
01:19:57,430 --> 01:19:56,560
the action is at area 51

1826
01:20:01,910 --> 01:19:57,440
or

1827
01:20:03,830 --> 01:20:01,920
is so popular no i'm still a firm

1828
01:20:05,669 --> 01:20:03,840
believer that all roads lead to wright

1829
01:20:07,030 --> 01:20:05,679
patterson air force base for a number a

1830
01:20:08,550 --> 01:20:07,040
number of reasons they have the foreign

1831
01:20:10,790 --> 01:20:08,560
technology division there they've got

1832
01:20:13,030 --> 01:20:10,800
the aeromedical labs there they've got

1833
01:20:15,350 --> 01:20:13,040
all all the tools that they would need

1834
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:15,360
to begin a reverse engineering process

1835
01:20:19,270 --> 01:20:17,280
so yeah my my bet is on wright patterson

1836
01:20:23,830 --> 01:20:19,280
air force base but that's not the only

1837
01:20:27,750 --> 01:20:23,840
location now if uh if this 1963 marine

1838
01:20:30,310 --> 01:20:27,760
case uh is to be believed and right i i

1839
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:30,320
have no reason to discount it

1840
01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:33,440
um when the department of defense and

1841
01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:35,600
the dia and their report that they

1842
01:20:39,350 --> 01:20:37,920
released on june 25th

1843
01:20:41,110 --> 01:20:39,360
uh states that they don't know what's

1844
01:20:43,990 --> 01:20:41,120
going on right they don't have any

1845
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:44,000
answers it's not us

1846
01:20:48,310 --> 01:20:45,600
but we don't know

1847
01:20:50,229 --> 01:20:48,320
and then you have this 1963 case right

1848
01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:50,239
here which clearly would suggest that

1849
01:20:54,149 --> 01:20:52,320
they know a lot yeah but here's the

1850
01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:54,159
question who's they right

1851
01:20:58,790 --> 01:20:57,120
because whoever is the bean counters at

1852
01:21:00,390 --> 01:20:58,800
the pentagon

1853
01:21:01,669 --> 01:21:00,400
they don't have a need to know they

1854
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:01,679
don't have a high enough security

1855
01:21:05,510 --> 01:21:03,440
clearance obviously they weren't briefed

1856
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:05,520
for this or cleared for this so

1857
01:21:09,750 --> 01:21:07,600
they wouldn't know i mean when when you

1858
01:21:11,910 --> 01:21:09,760
talk about

1859
01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:11,920
ufo crash retrievals we are talking

1860
01:21:17,430 --> 01:21:14,800
about the crown jewels of america

1861
01:21:18,870 --> 01:21:17,440
this is the absolute crown jewels of

1862
01:21:20,870 --> 01:21:18,880
america and you're not going to read

1863
01:21:23,189 --> 01:21:20,880
about it in your local newspaper

1864
01:21:26,229 --> 01:21:23,199
this is the best of the best the top of

1865
01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:26,239
the top this is beyond top secret and

1866
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:27,840
you can see why they wouldn't want to

1867
01:21:32,709 --> 01:21:30,480
keep this close hole because if they

1868
01:21:34,709 --> 01:21:32,719
were able to

1869
01:21:36,629 --> 01:21:34,719
breach the hull of the craft and figure

1870
01:21:38,470 --> 01:21:36,639
out the molecular structure of how the

1871
01:21:40,149 --> 01:21:38,480
skin of this thing works

1872
01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:40,159
and they can integrate it into our

1873
01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:42,480
fighter aircraft now you can rule the

1874
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:43,760
skies

1875
01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:47,040
well um and and i agree with you why

1876
01:21:53,910 --> 01:21:50,400
would um dr eric davis

1877
01:21:56,229 --> 01:21:53,920
just blurt this out publicly and and

1878
01:21:58,950 --> 01:21:56,239
allow the new york times to publish a

1879
01:21:59,830 --> 01:21:58,960
statement like that

1880
01:22:00,629 --> 01:21:59,840
again

1881
01:22:02,550 --> 01:22:00,639
uh

1882
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:02,560
how do you prove it how do you prove it

1883
01:22:07,189 --> 01:22:04,560
i mean this this sounds wonderful it

1884
01:22:09,669 --> 01:22:07,199
sounds great but where where is the

1885
01:22:11,990 --> 01:22:09,679
physical evidence to prove it

1886
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:12,000
you know we that's what people are

1887
01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:14,080
looking for and we were close to getting

1888
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:16,480
it he actually took a photograph of this

1889
01:22:18,629 --> 01:22:17,280
thing

1890
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:18,639
he was probably

1891
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:20,159
10 feet away from it when he took a

1892
01:22:24,550 --> 01:22:22,560
photograph of it that photograph would

1893
01:22:27,430 --> 01:22:24,560
still be here if that flood didn't

1894
01:22:31,510 --> 01:22:27,440
happen in 83 so again we were we were

1895
01:22:36,070 --> 01:22:31,520
just so close to the evidence now um

1896
01:22:37,750 --> 01:22:36,080
the special access program sapps

1897
01:22:39,030 --> 01:22:37,760
probably

1898
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:39,040
haven't been

1899
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:40,560
talked about

1900
01:22:45,910 --> 01:22:43,040
ever before like they are today special

1901
01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:45,920
assets access programs and

1902
01:22:49,990 --> 01:22:47,760
it seems that

1903
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:50,000
those i'm talking about politicians and

1904
01:22:55,590 --> 01:22:53,520
and legislators that that fund these

1905
01:22:59,189 --> 01:22:55,600
uh projects and also back into the

1906
01:23:02,229 --> 01:22:59,199
military this this money goes somewhere

1907
01:23:04,629 --> 01:23:02,239
and then it seems to disappear and the

1908
01:23:08,229 --> 01:23:04,639
the programs themselves

1909
01:23:09,590 --> 01:23:08,239
are separated from uh

1910
01:23:12,470 --> 01:23:09,600
each other

1911
01:23:13,590 --> 01:23:12,480
corporations are on a need to know basis

1912
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:13,600
uh

1913
01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:15,600
whether it's northrop or mcdonald

1914
01:23:19,750 --> 01:23:16,960
douglas or

1915
01:23:22,470 --> 01:23:19,760
her lockheed raytheon

1916
01:23:26,149 --> 01:23:22,480
northrop grumman

1917
01:23:28,390 --> 01:23:26,159
everything is is an unknown

1918
01:23:31,110 --> 01:23:28,400
how do we how do we get to these special

1919
01:23:33,030 --> 01:23:31,120
access programs as taxpayers

1920
01:23:34,550 --> 01:23:33,040
if you don't have a need to know jimmy

1921
01:23:36,149 --> 01:23:34,560
you're not gonna know

1922
01:23:37,350 --> 01:23:36,159
it doesn't matter what your rank is it

1923
01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:37,360
doesn't matter if you're president of

1924
01:23:40,229 --> 01:23:39,040
the united states if you don't have a

1925
01:23:41,830 --> 01:23:40,239
need to know

1926
01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:41,840
they are not gonna read you into that

1927
01:23:46,310 --> 01:23:44,000
program and that's final i mean it

1928
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:46,320
doesn't matter if you're the president

1929
01:23:51,189 --> 01:23:49,360
he is a temporary employee that's it

1930
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:51,199
he's out in four years they're never

1931
01:23:54,870 --> 01:23:53,040
going to brief him on that

1932
01:23:56,950 --> 01:23:54,880
and we're talking about the crown jewels

1933
01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:56,960
here they're never going to release it

1934
01:24:02,790 --> 01:23:59,280
to a temporary employee

1935
01:24:05,910 --> 01:24:02,800
now and and and in your research and and

1936
01:24:07,510 --> 01:24:05,920
your contacts um when you bring up these

1937
01:24:11,510 --> 01:24:07,520
conversations

1938
01:24:15,590 --> 01:24:13,750
well sometimes they hit a brick wall and

1939
01:24:17,990 --> 01:24:15,600
that's happened before too

1940
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:18,000
and that's okay because that's part of

1941
01:24:22,229 --> 01:24:20,480
the the quest right

1942
01:24:24,950 --> 01:24:22,239
we want to maintain an important part of

1943
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:24,960
our national history without

1944
01:24:30,629 --> 01:24:27,600
violating national security and so it's

1945
01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:30,639
kind of a fine line but again remember

1946
01:24:33,430 --> 01:24:31,520
that

1947
01:24:36,390 --> 01:24:33,440
the air force

1948
01:24:38,870 --> 01:24:36,400
is strictly a temporary custodian of

1949
01:24:40,709 --> 01:24:38,880
these assets okay because it's the

1950
01:24:42,790 --> 01:24:40,719
taxpayer

1951
01:24:46,070 --> 01:24:42,800
that owns the planes

1952
01:24:48,070 --> 01:24:46,080
owns the buildings pays the pilots pays

1953
01:24:49,990 --> 01:24:48,080
all the people who work there we own the

1954
01:24:52,229 --> 01:24:50,000
runways

1955
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:52,239
the taxpayer owns this so the air force

1956
01:24:56,229 --> 01:24:54,480
is a temporary custodian for these

1957
01:24:58,390 --> 01:24:56,239
assets that's important to keep in mind

1958
01:25:01,750 --> 01:24:58,400
as well uh one of the things that i find

1959
01:25:05,030 --> 01:25:01,760
fascinating is i can drive

1960
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:05,040
uh around these facilities

1961
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:07,440
in the middle of the day there's two

1962
01:25:12,870 --> 01:25:10,800
huge runways there

1963
01:25:15,350 --> 01:25:12,880
covered with hangers

1964
01:25:17,430 --> 01:25:15,360
and and you see the cars you see

1965
01:25:18,709 --> 01:25:17,440
everything up but but there's never a

1966
01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:18,719
plane

1967
01:25:25,830 --> 01:25:23,910
well you're you're at the heart of the

1968
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:25,840
military industrial complex air force

1969
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:28,800
plant 42 you cannot get any closer that

1970
01:25:34,709 --> 01:25:31,440
is it jimmy you are there

1971
01:25:37,189 --> 01:25:34,719
air force plant 42 right it is it it

1972
01:25:39,030 --> 01:25:37,199
doesn't get any higher than that and and

1973
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:39,040
and you never see a plane

1974
01:25:45,189 --> 01:25:40,400
right so

1975
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:45,199
uh the action is at night and and i feel

1976
01:25:49,030 --> 01:25:47,920
a little bit guilty as an american

1977
01:25:50,950 --> 01:25:49,040
citizen

1978
01:25:53,750 --> 01:25:50,960
talking about what i see

1979
01:25:56,310 --> 01:25:53,760
i i i could come on the air every night

1980
01:25:58,310 --> 01:25:56,320
i could post videos and things and i

1981
01:26:01,030 --> 01:25:58,320
feel like

1982
01:26:02,550 --> 01:26:01,040
uh i could get myself into trouble and

1983
01:26:05,189 --> 01:26:02,560
and maybe

1984
01:26:07,189 --> 01:26:05,199
some stuff shouldn't be discussed but i

1985
01:26:09,350 --> 01:26:07,199
see stuff taking off all night long

1986
01:26:10,950 --> 01:26:09,360
right all night all night but not during

1987
01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:10,960
the day

1988
01:26:15,270 --> 01:26:13,440
oh well

1989
01:26:16,709 --> 01:26:15,280
again you're you're right in the middle

1990
01:26:18,870 --> 01:26:16,719
of the action

1991
01:26:21,030 --> 01:26:18,880
uh that's

1992
01:26:22,870 --> 01:26:21,040
the space shuttle was built there the b2

1993
01:26:24,229 --> 01:26:22,880
was built there who knows what else was

1994
01:26:26,310 --> 01:26:24,239
built there right

1995
01:26:29,669 --> 01:26:26,320
but it just doesn't get any better than

1996
01:26:32,390 --> 01:26:29,679
air force plant 42 for sure for sure i i

1997
01:26:34,550 --> 01:26:32,400
made this comment uh

1998
01:26:37,270 --> 01:26:34,560
a couple of weeks ago

1999
01:26:38,229 --> 01:26:37,280
and uh and i'm driving and

2000
01:26:40,550 --> 01:26:38,239
and i

2001
01:26:43,750 --> 01:26:40,560
i noticed that one of the parking lots

2002
01:26:45,189 --> 01:26:43,760
at one of these facilities on a sunday

2003
01:26:48,470 --> 01:26:45,199
was packed

2004
01:26:50,950 --> 01:26:48,480
thousands of cars thousands wow on a

2005
01:26:52,629 --> 01:26:50,960
sunday afternoon

2006
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:52,639
so they're in full production of

2007
01:26:56,070 --> 01:26:53,920
something

2008
01:26:56,950 --> 01:26:56,080
i just don't know what it is

2009
01:26:59,990 --> 01:26:56,960
right

2010
01:27:02,629 --> 01:27:00,000
it's not like it's a ghost town oh no

2011
01:27:05,030 --> 01:27:02,639
right no it's very interesting now um i

2012
01:27:07,110 --> 01:27:05,040
wanted to uh go back uh you brought up

2013
01:27:07,910 --> 01:27:07,120
uh mark mccandlish

2014
01:27:12,070 --> 01:27:07,920
and

2015
01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:12,080
uh the break

2016
01:27:16,709 --> 01:27:14,080
but uh he was a close friend of yours

2017
01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:16,719
and absolutely yeah and somebody i have

2018
01:27:20,550 --> 01:27:19,440
uh so much respect for but here's the

2019
01:27:24,149 --> 01:27:20,560
deal

2020
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:24,159
with the arv um

2021
01:27:31,830 --> 01:27:28,000
and that particular reproduction vehicle

2022
01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:31,840
this was done um in his drawings about

2023
01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:34,080
this and and the breakout drawing

2024
01:27:39,830 --> 01:27:36,320
um was done

2025
01:27:41,910 --> 01:27:39,840
from descriptions of not only what was

2026
01:27:44,709 --> 01:27:41,920
in the sky but what was

2027
01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:44,719
in a couple of uh presentations inside

2028
01:27:49,590 --> 01:27:46,960
of a hangar and that there were multiple

2029
01:27:50,550 --> 01:27:49,600
versions of this bigger versions smaller

2030
01:27:53,669 --> 01:27:50,560
versions

2031
01:27:57,030 --> 01:27:53,679
but that was a propulsion system

2032
01:28:00,550 --> 01:27:57,040
that didn't seem so alien to me

2033
01:28:01,430 --> 01:28:00,560
it seemed like it was just good tech

2034
01:28:03,590 --> 01:28:01,440
well

2035
01:28:07,030 --> 01:28:03,600
all i can say jimmy is i'm gonna leave

2036
01:28:09,189 --> 01:28:07,040
that a part of mark's legacy

2037
01:28:11,910 --> 01:28:09,199
so really that's really all i can say

2038
01:28:14,149 --> 01:28:11,920
about it i i don't think i'm

2039
01:28:15,830 --> 01:28:14,159
allowed to discuss further on that

2040
01:28:18,149 --> 01:28:15,840
particular subject

2041
01:28:20,390 --> 01:28:18,159
but that's part of mark's legacy

2042
01:28:22,709 --> 01:28:20,400
yeah yeah yeah okay

2043
01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:22,719
but what i'm suggesting here

2044
01:28:26,390 --> 01:28:25,360
is that that was an alien reproduction

2045
01:28:27,270 --> 01:28:26,400
vehicle

2046
01:28:28,470 --> 01:28:27,280
so

2047
01:28:30,629 --> 01:28:28,480
it was

2048
01:28:31,430 --> 01:28:30,639
reproduced from

2049
01:28:34,390 --> 01:28:31,440
uh

2050
01:28:36,790 --> 01:28:34,400
something else not of this earth right

2051
01:28:39,430 --> 01:28:36,800
that's what the name says right

2052
01:28:40,790 --> 01:28:39,440
well if we're to believe it

2053
01:28:43,510 --> 01:28:40,800
and

2054
01:28:44,870 --> 01:28:43,520
well um there's there's another part to

2055
01:28:47,350 --> 01:28:44,880
this for me

2056
01:28:48,229 --> 01:28:47,360
um that the

2057
01:28:54,550 --> 01:28:48,239
the

2058
01:28:56,390 --> 01:28:54,560
was just a covering it wasn't really

2059
01:28:59,830 --> 01:28:56,400
anything there for

2060
01:29:02,070 --> 01:28:59,840
uh aerodynamics or any consensus any

2061
01:29:04,629 --> 01:29:02,080
consideration of that

2062
01:29:06,790 --> 01:29:04,639
the propulsion system was internal so

2063
01:29:09,430 --> 01:29:06,800
you didn't need an elaborate skin or

2064
01:29:11,830 --> 01:29:09,440
something aerodynamic

2065
01:29:14,870 --> 01:29:11,840
oh that's true well that's true i mean

2066
01:29:17,430 --> 01:29:14,880
it wasn't flying on the bernoulli's

2067
01:29:18,550 --> 01:29:17,440
principle of lift that's for sure

2068
01:29:21,750 --> 01:29:18,560
so

2069
01:29:22,790 --> 01:29:21,760
yeah and uh uh we're gonna take a break

2070
01:29:26,149 --> 01:29:22,800
right here

2071
01:29:28,470 --> 01:29:26,159
um but uh the other part uh with this it

2072
01:29:31,990 --> 01:29:28,480
just seemed that uh

2073
01:29:34,790 --> 01:29:32,000
the craft uh and i have mark autographed

2074
01:29:36,870 --> 01:29:34,800
a big blueprint for me uh it's one of my

2075
01:29:40,629 --> 01:29:36,880
treasured pieces that i have

2076
01:29:42,070 --> 01:29:40,639
um that it seemed

2077
01:29:45,350 --> 01:29:42,080
uh

2078
01:29:48,149 --> 01:29:45,360
the top

2079
01:29:49,189 --> 01:29:48,159
that it was a very simplistic right

2080
01:29:50,149 --> 01:29:49,199
where

2081
01:29:51,270 --> 01:29:50,159
um

2082
01:29:56,070 --> 01:29:51,280
we

2083
01:29:58,709 --> 01:29:56,080
and then

2084
01:30:02,070 --> 01:29:58,719
maybe we should uh take another look at

2085
01:30:04,149 --> 01:30:02,080
this and it's actually if et is doing it

2086
01:30:07,430 --> 01:30:04,159
it's actually simple

2087
01:30:09,669 --> 01:30:07,440
it's not something complex right

2088
01:30:12,870 --> 01:30:09,679
well i'll just go back to the name

2089
01:30:14,790 --> 01:30:12,880
you know what what does the name say so

2090
01:30:15,750 --> 01:30:14,800
you mean arv

2091
01:30:18,709 --> 01:30:15,760
right

2092
01:30:20,870 --> 01:30:18,719
i mean if that name is legitimate then

2093
01:30:23,030 --> 01:30:20,880
the implications of what that means is

2094
01:30:25,110 --> 01:30:23,040
earth shattering and we just went over

2095
01:30:27,189 --> 01:30:25,120
this 63 case

2096
01:30:28,629 --> 01:30:27,199
from wherever this thing landed

2097
01:30:31,189 --> 01:30:28,639
originating from cherry point north

2098
01:30:32,550 --> 01:30:31,199
carolina if that is true

2099
01:30:35,750 --> 01:30:32,560
and they've been able to integrate it

2100
01:30:37,189 --> 01:30:35,760
and they've been working on it some 63

2101
01:30:39,110 --> 01:30:37,199
then there's no telling what they could

2102
01:30:40,870 --> 01:30:39,120
have done by now with billions of

2103
01:30:41,750 --> 01:30:40,880
dollars and all these scientists working

2104
01:30:42,629 --> 01:30:41,760
on it

2105
01:30:44,709 --> 01:30:42,639
yeah

2106
01:30:46,310 --> 01:30:44,719
let's take our break uh right here this

2107
01:30:47,669 --> 01:30:46,320
is fade to black i'm your host jimmy

2108
01:30:50,870 --> 01:30:47,679
churchill i guess tonight michael

2109
01:30:52,550 --> 01:30:50,880
schratt here to discuss that secret u.s

2110
01:30:55,350 --> 01:30:52,560
technology that may be in the skies

2111
01:30:56,629 --> 01:30:55,360
right now what are these ufos and uaps

2112
01:31:07,030 --> 01:30:56,639
i'm your host jimmy church more with

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2167
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2168
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2169
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jimmy church i guess tonight michael

2212
01:36:32,709 --> 01:36:31,280
schratz uh tomorrow night margie k is

2213
01:36:35,189 --> 01:36:32,719
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2214
01:36:38,709 --> 01:36:35,199
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2216
01:36:43,350 --> 01:36:41,440
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2217
01:36:45,510 --> 01:36:43,360
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2218
01:36:48,470 --> 01:36:45,520
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2219
01:36:51,590 --> 01:36:48,480
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2220
01:36:52,950 --> 01:36:51,600
okay so michael uh jumping back you

2221
01:36:55,430 --> 01:36:52,960
brought up uh

2222
01:36:59,030 --> 01:36:55,440
lonnie zamora and

2223
01:37:01,669 --> 01:36:59,040
um historically in the records uh when

2224
01:37:04,149 --> 01:37:01,679
you're pulling up these cases and

2225
01:37:05,109 --> 01:37:04,159
and looking at them and hearing about

2226
01:37:08,390 --> 01:37:05,119
uh

2227
01:37:15,510 --> 01:37:09,590
does that

2228
01:37:16,629 --> 01:37:15,520
talking about what lonnie zamora saw

2229
01:37:18,550 --> 01:37:16,639
number one

2230
01:37:19,669 --> 01:37:18,560
and number two

2231
01:37:24,870 --> 01:37:19,679
would

2232
01:37:27,270 --> 01:37:24,880
tac um how are we talking about et or us

2233
01:37:30,629 --> 01:37:27,280
keep keeping in mind what we just talked

2234
01:37:32,830 --> 01:37:30,639
about here with the temple oklahoma case

2235
01:37:36,149 --> 01:37:32,840
this was again march 23rd

2236
01:37:39,030 --> 01:37:36,159
1966 the socorro new mexico case was

2237
01:37:41,510 --> 01:37:39,040
april 24th 1964 just like two years

2238
01:37:43,270 --> 01:37:41,520
prior to okay so it's kind of the same

2239
01:37:45,430 --> 01:37:43,280
timeline here

2240
01:37:49,830 --> 01:37:45,440
what i think is interesting jimmy is

2241
01:37:53,109 --> 01:37:49,840
that this case actually originated

2242
01:37:55,270 --> 01:37:53,119
and you can verify this on any map

2243
01:37:57,189 --> 01:37:55,280
take a look at the

2244
01:37:58,870 --> 01:37:57,199
boundary perimeter of white sands

2245
01:38:01,510 --> 01:37:58,880
missile range

2246
01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:01,520
if you go five miles west

2247
01:38:05,270 --> 01:38:03,679
to the upper portion of white sands

2248
01:38:07,590 --> 01:38:05,280
missile range

2249
01:38:10,550 --> 01:38:07,600
that's where socorro new mexico is

2250
01:38:12,550 --> 01:38:10,560
it is literally within five miles of the

2251
01:38:14,790 --> 01:38:12,560
boundary of white sands missiles i don't

2252
01:38:16,310 --> 01:38:14,800
think that that can be forgotten that

2253
01:38:17,669 --> 01:38:16,320
should not be something that we

2254
01:38:19,189 --> 01:38:17,679
underestimate

2255
01:38:20,950 --> 01:38:19,199
and also

2256
01:38:23,669 --> 01:38:20,960
according to ben moss who wrote a brand

2257
01:38:26,870 --> 01:38:23,679
new book about this whole socorro thing

2258
01:38:29,430 --> 01:38:26,880
um basically what lonnie described is

2259
01:38:31,430 --> 01:38:29,440
that prior to this thing lifting off

2260
01:38:33,910 --> 01:38:31,440
because he was within 24 feet of this

2261
01:38:36,310 --> 01:38:33,920
craft egg-shaped craft that had these

2262
01:38:38,870 --> 01:38:36,320
landing gear legs on the bottom

2263
01:38:41,109 --> 01:38:38,880
there was a exhaust port on the bottom

2264
01:38:42,310 --> 01:38:41,119
he said that just before

2265
01:38:45,109 --> 01:38:42,320
these two

2266
01:38:47,510 --> 01:38:45,119
small stature beings went into the craft

2267
01:38:49,270 --> 01:38:47,520
he said that there was a bang

2268
01:38:51,669 --> 01:38:49,280
and then about

2269
01:38:54,790 --> 01:38:51,679
20 seconds later there was another bang

2270
01:38:56,229 --> 01:38:54,800
so it's like someone closed a submarine

2271
01:38:58,550 --> 01:38:56,239
hatch door

2272
01:39:00,310 --> 01:38:58,560
and then they pulled the lever and latch

2273
01:39:02,390 --> 01:39:00,320
this thing that's what it sounds like to

2274
01:39:04,790 --> 01:39:02,400
me so a very mechanical thing that

2275
01:39:07,030 --> 01:39:04,800
doesn't sound extraterrestrial then he

2276
01:39:09,669 --> 01:39:07,040
said that there was this

2277
01:39:12,709 --> 01:39:09,679
frequency humming noise sort of like a

2278
01:39:14,790 --> 01:39:12,719
drill that went from low to high

2279
01:39:16,310 --> 01:39:14,800
and then there was this blue colored

2280
01:39:17,910 --> 01:39:16,320
flame that came out of the bottom of

2281
01:39:19,030 --> 01:39:17,920
this thing and then this thing lifted

2282
01:39:21,109 --> 01:39:19,040
off

2283
01:39:22,310 --> 01:39:21,119
virtually the identical blue colored

2284
01:39:25,270 --> 01:39:22,320
flame

2285
01:39:27,510 --> 01:39:25,280
on the december 29th 1980 hoffman texas

2286
01:39:28,629 --> 01:39:27,520
cash landrum incident so we've got

2287
01:39:30,709 --> 01:39:28,639
something

2288
01:39:32,550 --> 01:39:30,719
that predates the cash landrum incident

2289
01:39:33,910 --> 01:39:32,560
with the same blue colored flame on the

2290
01:39:36,149 --> 01:39:33,920
bottom of it that's coming out of an

2291
01:39:38,550 --> 01:39:36,159
exhaust port so

2292
01:39:40,790 --> 01:39:38,560
if you add this all up and

2293
01:39:43,990 --> 01:39:40,800
just to complete this

2294
01:39:46,470 --> 01:39:44,000
if you look at the female indentations

2295
01:39:49,270 --> 01:39:46,480
that are you can make a mold from these

2296
01:39:51,189 --> 01:39:49,280
things and you can actually pour class a

2297
01:39:52,470 --> 01:39:51,199
plaster mold and create your own mold

2298
01:39:55,350 --> 01:39:52,480
from these things

2299
01:39:56,950 --> 01:39:55,360
and if you do a 3d rendering you'll

2300
01:39:59,669 --> 01:39:56,960
notice jimmy that

2301
01:40:01,750 --> 01:39:59,679
the landing gear pads associated with

2302
01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:01,760
the socorro new mexico lonnies and more

2303
01:40:06,950 --> 01:40:05,280
craft have these 90 degree right angle

2304
01:40:11,109 --> 01:40:06,960
angles to them

2305
01:40:13,590 --> 01:40:11,119
and it just doesn't look like an alien

2306
01:40:15,030 --> 01:40:13,600
landing pad it really doesn't

2307
01:40:17,030 --> 01:40:15,040
um

2308
01:40:19,430 --> 01:40:17,040
so

2309
01:40:22,790 --> 01:40:19,440
moving forward to now

2310
01:40:26,470 --> 01:40:22,800
with the descriptions of the tic-tac

2311
01:40:28,709 --> 01:40:26,480
where our own government is saying

2312
01:40:31,669 --> 01:40:28,719
that's that's not us

2313
01:40:34,550 --> 01:40:31,679
right that that is not our technology

2314
01:40:37,590 --> 01:40:34,560
and and but yet

2315
01:40:38,470 --> 01:40:37,600
uh the similarities between these cases

2316
01:40:41,750 --> 01:40:38,480
they

2317
01:40:43,830 --> 01:40:41,760
their descriptions are just too spot on

2318
01:40:46,709 --> 01:40:43,840
well again we we should ask who is

2319
01:40:49,270 --> 01:40:46,719
saying that's not us who is saying that

2320
01:40:50,790 --> 01:40:49,280
right because how would they have a need

2321
01:40:53,109 --> 01:40:50,800
to know and we could be dealing with

2322
01:40:54,310 --> 01:40:53,119
americans chasing americans

2323
01:40:56,149 --> 01:40:54,320
you don't really think that they would

2324
01:40:57,910 --> 01:40:56,159
tell our f-18 pilots if they're going to

2325
01:40:59,270 --> 01:40:57,920
do a test like this they're not going to

2326
01:41:01,590 --> 01:40:59,280
they're not going to tell our f-18

2327
01:41:03,350 --> 01:41:01,600
pilots it sounds like they should

2328
01:41:05,830 --> 01:41:03,360
but they're not going to brief them in

2329
01:41:07,510 --> 01:41:05,840
on a project like this because if it is

2330
01:41:09,430 --> 01:41:07,520
reverse engineered from one of these

2331
01:41:11,430 --> 01:41:09,440
crash retrievals they don't have a need

2332
01:41:13,590 --> 01:41:11,440
to know about this

2333
01:41:15,109 --> 01:41:13,600
you know that's how deep this could be

2334
01:41:17,109 --> 01:41:15,119
going here we could be looking at

2335
01:41:19,510 --> 01:41:17,119
americans chasing americans and they

2336
01:41:20,950 --> 01:41:19,520
don't even know what's going on now what

2337
01:41:22,229 --> 01:41:20,960
about the

2338
01:41:25,750 --> 01:41:22,239
uh

2339
01:41:29,030 --> 01:41:25,760
the description

2340
01:41:31,510 --> 01:41:29,040
uh that that came off of radar and

2341
01:41:34,070 --> 01:41:31,520
visual uh testimony

2342
01:41:37,270 --> 01:41:34,080
that the the tic tac went from 80 000

2343
01:41:38,390 --> 01:41:37,280
feet to 29 000 feet and then hovered in

2344
01:41:42,790 --> 01:41:38,400
uh

2345
01:41:44,470 --> 01:41:42,800
you know some type of um

2346
01:41:46,950 --> 01:41:44,480
holding pattern

2347
01:41:49,109 --> 01:41:46,960
in in less than a second

2348
01:41:50,070 --> 01:41:49,119
i'm i'm glad you brought this up jimmy

2349
01:41:51,910 --> 01:41:50,080
because

2350
01:41:53,350 --> 01:41:51,920
and this leads us right into the next

2351
01:41:55,430 --> 01:41:53,360
segment here now

2352
01:41:58,310 --> 01:41:55,440
uh just give you some background

2353
01:42:00,629 --> 01:41:58,320
there used to be a ufologist by the name

2354
01:42:03,109 --> 01:42:00,639
of gray barker i know you know his name

2355
01:42:05,830 --> 01:42:03,119
most apologists know about this guy

2356
01:42:07,270 --> 01:42:05,840
he died many years ago but he left his

2357
01:42:09,189 --> 01:42:07,280
collection

2358
01:42:11,669 --> 01:42:09,199
to the clarksburg west virginia

2359
01:42:14,790 --> 01:42:11,679
historical library and so there's like

2360
01:42:17,830 --> 01:42:14,800
18 file cabinets full of original

2361
01:42:19,830 --> 01:42:17,840
ufo material so of course i flew down

2362
01:42:20,950 --> 01:42:19,840
there 12 years ago and spent three days

2363
01:42:22,790 --> 01:42:20,960
looking through it

2364
01:42:24,550 --> 01:42:22,800
all i'm going to say is that it is a

2365
01:42:27,109 --> 01:42:24,560
drug ridden

2366
01:42:28,390 --> 01:42:27,119
dilapidated area i just have to be

2367
01:42:30,629 --> 01:42:28,400
honest with you it is not a

2368
01:42:33,590 --> 01:42:30,639
user-friendly environment to go there

2369
01:42:34,310 --> 01:42:33,600
but anything for ufo research right okay

2370
01:42:36,870 --> 01:42:34,320
so

2371
01:42:39,030 --> 01:42:36,880
there's 18 file cabinets within these

2372
01:42:41,350 --> 01:42:39,040
file cabinets and it took me two trips i

2373
01:42:44,149 --> 01:42:41,360
had to go back three years later

2374
01:42:47,030 --> 01:42:44,159
ago to get all of these now

2375
01:42:49,910 --> 01:42:47,040
there was something jimmy published

2376
01:42:52,470 --> 01:42:49,920
in weekly newspaper columns called our

2377
01:42:54,310 --> 01:42:52,480
space age that was written by a man

2378
01:42:56,950 --> 01:42:54,320
named otto binder

2379
01:42:58,390 --> 01:42:56,960
he commissioned an artist to do these

2380
01:43:00,950 --> 01:42:58,400
sketches

2381
01:43:02,790 --> 01:43:00,960
of what was originally space related

2382
01:43:06,550 --> 01:43:02,800
things but then later on it was

2383
01:43:09,590 --> 01:43:06,560
completely ufo related so he has

2384
01:43:12,310 --> 01:43:09,600
thousands of ufo reports pouring into

2385
01:43:13,830 --> 01:43:12,320
autobinder he'd write the copy and then

2386
01:43:16,470 --> 01:43:13,840
he'd commission artwork by a

2387
01:43:18,229 --> 01:43:16,480
professional artist to do a illustration

2388
01:43:20,390 --> 01:43:18,239
or sketch based on the original

2389
01:43:22,070 --> 01:43:20,400
eyewitness report so

2390
01:43:23,510 --> 01:43:22,080
going back to the clarksburg west

2391
01:43:27,030 --> 01:43:23,520
virginia library

2392
01:43:29,430 --> 01:43:27,040
was able to secure copies of all 300 of

2393
01:43:31,990 --> 01:43:29,440
these jimmy and i want to go over just a

2394
01:43:33,669 --> 01:43:32,000
couple of these things right here now it

2395
01:43:35,109 --> 01:43:33,679
it bears

2396
01:43:36,709 --> 01:43:35,119
a resemblance to what we're talking

2397
01:43:38,149 --> 01:43:36,719
about here so we're talking about the

2398
01:43:42,870 --> 01:43:38,159
tic tac

2399
01:43:46,550 --> 01:43:42,880
citing jimmy

2400
01:43:49,030 --> 01:43:46,560
on march 1967 in wycombe pennsylvania

2401
01:43:51,270 --> 01:43:49,040
i've got the original report here

2402
01:43:54,550 --> 01:43:51,280
it says march 1967

2403
01:43:57,910 --> 01:43:54,560
don anderson of wycombe pennsylvania in

2404
01:44:00,790 --> 01:43:57,920
daylight saw a gigantic zeppelin hanging

2405
01:44:04,149 --> 01:44:00,800
motionless among the clouds with six

2406
01:44:06,390 --> 01:44:04,159
strange booms on its top okay so

2407
01:44:08,470 --> 01:44:06,400
commander fraber talked about how in the

2408
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:08,480
high definition resolution of the tic

2409
01:44:12,629 --> 01:44:10,080
tac video

2410
01:44:13,990 --> 01:44:12,639
he said that he could see prongs or

2411
01:44:16,390 --> 01:44:14,000
protrusions

2412
01:44:19,109 --> 01:44:16,400
coming up from the craft itself this is

2413
01:44:21,910 --> 01:44:19,119
exactly what this lady is describing

2414
01:44:24,870 --> 01:44:21,920
decades earlier in 1967 virtually the

2415
01:44:27,109 --> 01:44:24,880
identical craft jimmy and she also said

2416
01:44:29,750 --> 01:44:27,119
that around the circumference of this

2417
01:44:32,229 --> 01:44:29,760
quote unquote tic tac ufo she said she

2418
01:44:34,790 --> 01:44:32,239
could see rivets fastening this whole

2419
01:44:37,590 --> 01:44:34,800
thing together back in 1967

2420
01:44:39,830 --> 01:44:37,600
now uh

2421
01:44:42,229 --> 01:44:39,840
okay so we're talking

2422
01:44:44,390 --> 01:44:42,239
i i want to be very clear here what

2423
01:44:49,270 --> 01:44:44,400
we're suggesting is

2424
01:44:51,590 --> 01:44:49,280
uh an et craft in 1963 in in

2425
01:44:53,189 --> 01:44:51,600
in the marine case

2426
01:44:55,910 --> 01:44:53,199
um and then

2427
01:44:58,149 --> 01:44:55,920
you're suggesting that the lonnie zamora

2428
01:44:58,950 --> 01:44:58,159
socorro case

2429
01:45:01,430 --> 01:44:58,960
uh

2430
01:45:03,750 --> 01:45:01,440
was our technology

2431
01:45:06,629 --> 01:45:03,760
and then moving forward to

2432
01:45:08,870 --> 01:45:06,639
uh the tic tac again that would suggest

2433
01:45:11,430 --> 01:45:08,880
you're suggesting that that is our

2434
01:45:14,390 --> 01:45:11,440
technology that's exactly what i'm

2435
01:45:17,189 --> 01:45:14,400
suggesting the fact that she describes

2436
01:45:18,709 --> 01:45:17,199
seeing rivets on this thing

2437
01:45:21,189 --> 01:45:18,719
looks like to me

2438
01:45:24,229 --> 01:45:21,199
that you know it let's just say that the

2439
01:45:26,390 --> 01:45:24,239
the program started in 1954 where they

2440
01:45:28,709 --> 01:45:26,400
made the breakthrough in october 1954

2441
01:45:30,550 --> 01:45:28,719
they would have had an entire 10 15

2442
01:45:33,910 --> 01:45:30,560
almost 20 years

2443
01:45:37,189 --> 01:45:33,920
if you just keep extrapolating this out

2444
01:45:38,149 --> 01:45:37,199
at the very minimum a good 10 years of r

2445
01:45:47,510 --> 01:45:38,159
d

2446
01:45:49,669 --> 01:45:47,520
breakthrough what's going on at los

2447
01:45:51,750 --> 01:45:49,679
alamos harry drew can tell talk about

2448
01:45:53,109 --> 01:45:51,760
what had gone there and where things

2449
01:45:55,350 --> 01:45:53,119
were brought

2450
01:45:57,830 --> 01:45:55,360
that even ties into scott and suzanne

2451
01:46:00,629 --> 01:45:57,840
ramsey we can talk about the aztec crash

2452
01:46:03,350 --> 01:46:00,639
retrieval where that was sent so when

2453
01:46:05,189 --> 01:46:03,360
you tie this all together it just looks

2454
01:46:07,669 --> 01:46:05,199
like they've made a breakthrough

2455
01:46:10,149 --> 01:46:07,679
and they've incorporated the technology

2456
01:46:13,430 --> 01:46:10,159
into man-made craft that's what the

2457
01:46:15,830 --> 01:46:13,440
evidence is showing us now if we go if

2458
01:46:17,910 --> 01:46:15,840
we if we look at all of this in its

2459
01:46:20,550 --> 01:46:17,920
totality and you know bringing up mark

2460
01:46:21,590 --> 01:46:20,560
mccandless you know one more time

2461
01:46:22,629 --> 01:46:21,600
that

2462
01:46:27,109 --> 01:46:22,639
the

2463
01:46:31,470 --> 01:46:27,119
sightings i'm talking about

2464
01:46:33,830 --> 01:46:31,480
saucer-shaped craft right um some may be

2465
01:46:36,550 --> 01:46:33,840
extraterrestrial in origin

2466
01:46:39,669 --> 01:46:36,560
uh truly e.t visiting us

2467
01:46:41,590 --> 01:46:39,679
but that uh like georgia damski and and

2468
01:46:43,910 --> 01:46:41,600
the other craft that were described are

2469
01:46:45,189 --> 01:46:43,920
very close to the arv

2470
01:46:47,350 --> 01:46:45,199
and we

2471
01:46:49,510 --> 01:46:47,360
may be witnessing

2472
01:46:51,430 --> 01:46:49,520
flying saucers

2473
01:46:55,189 --> 01:46:51,440
but it's us

2474
01:46:57,430 --> 01:46:55,199
okay um

2475
01:46:59,270 --> 01:46:57,440
i want to skip ahead because you just

2476
01:47:01,830 --> 01:46:59,280
mentioned that i'm gonna i want to skip

2477
01:47:03,590 --> 01:47:01,840
ahead i wanted to go kind of in order

2478
01:47:05,910 --> 01:47:03,600
but i'm gonna skip ahead interesting you

2479
01:47:08,310 --> 01:47:05,920
mentioned that okay so let me hit you

2480
01:47:12,149 --> 01:47:08,320
with this sighting jimmy this is march

2481
01:47:14,790 --> 01:47:12,159
21st 1950 absolutely verified and the

2482
01:47:18,310 --> 01:47:14,800
eyewitnesses are impeccable credentialed

2483
01:47:22,629 --> 01:47:18,320
eyewitnesses this is the flight crew

2484
01:47:26,229 --> 01:47:22,639
again march 21st 1950 stuttgart arkansas

2485
01:47:28,870 --> 01:47:26,239
so they're they're flying it's 9 30 a.m

2486
01:47:31,430 --> 01:47:28,880
uh the setting took place at 3 000 feet

2487
01:47:33,830 --> 01:47:31,440
i've got the newspaper clipping here

2488
01:47:35,189 --> 01:47:33,840
and what they described jimmy is a 90

2489
01:47:37,350 --> 01:47:35,199
foot five

2490
01:47:38,790 --> 01:47:37,360
foot diameter disc shaped craft it has a

2491
01:47:41,910 --> 01:47:38,800
dome on top

2492
01:47:45,669 --> 01:47:41,920
it has about 10 circular

2493
01:47:48,229 --> 01:47:45,679
glowing white portholes on the bottom

2494
01:47:51,270 --> 01:47:48,239
it was going about 600 miles an hour

2495
01:47:52,790 --> 01:47:51,280
and left no vapor trail but here here's

2496
01:47:56,149 --> 01:47:52,800
the reference for it

2497
01:47:59,350 --> 01:47:56,159
this is northwest arkansas times march

2498
01:48:01,590 --> 01:47:59,360
22nd 1950. listen to what they say this

2499
01:48:04,070 --> 01:48:01,600
is the pilot and the co-pilot this isn't

2500
01:48:05,189 --> 01:48:04,080
me this is the pilot talking here says

2501
01:48:07,510 --> 01:48:05,199
quote

2502
01:48:10,229 --> 01:48:07,520
we firmly believe

2503
01:48:13,669 --> 01:48:10,239
that the flying saucer we saw over

2504
01:48:16,550 --> 01:48:13,679
arkansas was a secret experimental type

2505
01:48:18,470 --> 01:48:16,560
aircraft not a visitor from outer space

2506
01:48:20,310 --> 01:48:18,480
end quote

2507
01:48:21,350 --> 01:48:20,320
right there right there

2508
01:48:24,149 --> 01:48:21,360
i mean

2509
01:48:26,790 --> 01:48:24,159
coming from our own pilots and they're

2510
01:48:28,550 --> 01:48:26,800
saying yeah what we think that we saw

2511
01:48:29,750 --> 01:48:28,560
that was not e.t this is something we

2512
01:48:32,310 --> 01:48:29,760
built

2513
01:48:33,990 --> 01:48:32,320
this is back in 1950

2514
01:48:36,790 --> 01:48:34,000
now uh

2515
01:48:40,390 --> 01:48:36,800
you know kevin day who i've had on this

2516
01:48:44,310 --> 01:48:40,400
program uh you know 20-year

2517
01:48:45,510 --> 01:48:44,320
navy radar operator

2518
01:48:47,510 --> 01:48:45,520
knows

2519
01:48:50,070 --> 01:48:47,520
signatures and

2520
01:48:53,030 --> 01:48:50,080
knows what he is seeing and his crew

2521
01:48:55,910 --> 01:48:53,040
members are seeing on radar

2522
01:48:58,950 --> 01:48:55,920
um and kevin is pretty

2523
01:49:00,629 --> 01:48:58,960
pretty emphatic in stating that

2524
01:49:02,950 --> 01:49:00,639
somebody

2525
01:49:06,870 --> 01:49:02,960
would have let us know that they were

2526
01:49:07,910 --> 01:49:06,880
testing um on on the nimitz carrier

2527
01:49:10,149 --> 01:49:07,920
group

2528
01:49:12,629 --> 01:49:10,159
that that kind of testing there's too

2529
01:49:14,470 --> 01:49:12,639
many dangerous things that could happen

2530
01:49:17,270 --> 01:49:14,480
you're endangering the lives of the

2531
01:49:18,470 --> 01:49:17,280
pilots and you're flying aircraft around

2532
01:49:21,510 --> 01:49:18,480
these other

2533
01:49:23,750 --> 01:49:21,520
uh unknowns and that that

2534
01:49:26,470 --> 01:49:23,760
that we wouldn't do that kind of testing

2535
01:49:27,510 --> 01:49:26,480
without some kind of notification

2536
01:49:30,629 --> 01:49:27,520
ahead

2537
01:49:31,830 --> 01:49:30,639
and he is uh commanding

2538
01:49:34,470 --> 01:49:31,840
uh

2539
01:49:36,390 --> 01:49:34,480
you know his radar operators and also

2540
01:49:39,030 --> 01:49:36,400
instructing one to

2541
01:49:41,350 --> 01:49:39,040
uh put flights in the air and those are

2542
01:49:43,910 --> 01:49:41,360
his statements and you know i i don't

2543
01:49:46,470 --> 01:49:43,920
know if this is e.t or us

2544
01:49:48,550 --> 01:49:46,480
i don't know i wasn't there

2545
01:49:49,510 --> 01:49:48,560
but you would think that they would

2546
01:49:51,830 --> 01:49:49,520
brief

2547
01:49:53,589 --> 01:49:51,840
right the pilots and the people on the

2548
01:49:55,270 --> 01:49:53,599
cruisers and everything but not

2549
01:49:57,990 --> 01:49:55,280
necessarily

2550
01:50:00,310 --> 01:49:58,000
if you have the quote unquote agency

2551
01:50:02,629 --> 01:50:00,320
and they're conducting a test they're

2552
01:50:04,070 --> 01:50:02,639
not going to brief people in the air

2553
01:50:06,629 --> 01:50:04,080
they're not going to brief people on the

2554
01:50:08,870 --> 01:50:06,639
ground they're not going to do it

2555
01:50:12,870 --> 01:50:08,880
and you know we have a habit of that

2556
01:50:15,189 --> 01:50:12,880
going on if you go back to the 1957 uss

2557
01:50:17,669 --> 01:50:15,199
fdr case

2558
01:50:19,430 --> 01:50:17,679
where we had people going on that thing

2559
01:50:20,950 --> 01:50:19,440
pulling the tapes pulling the radar from

2560
01:50:22,390 --> 01:50:20,960
that case as well

2561
01:50:24,149 --> 01:50:22,400
that could have been another test who

2562
01:50:25,910 --> 01:50:24,159
knows but

2563
01:50:27,109 --> 01:50:25,920
you would think that

2564
01:50:28,790 --> 01:50:27,119
they'd want to

2565
01:50:31,510 --> 01:50:28,800
at least alert them but that's not

2566
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:31,520
necessarily the case because again if if

2567
01:50:35,030 --> 01:50:33,360
americans are chasing americans then

2568
01:50:37,270 --> 01:50:35,040
they don't have a need to know and if

2569
01:50:39,109 --> 01:50:37,280
they perfected the technology

2570
01:50:41,270 --> 01:50:39,119
it's no problem then for them to run

2571
01:50:42,790 --> 01:50:41,280
rings around our f-18s it's not an issue

2572
01:50:44,709 --> 01:50:42,800
to them it's not an issue at all it's

2573
01:50:47,350 --> 01:50:44,719
not even a safety issue that's how well

2574
01:50:49,109 --> 01:50:47,360
perfected they have it now what about

2575
01:50:52,950 --> 01:50:49,119
the flip side

2576
01:50:55,750 --> 01:50:52,960
wouldn't we be using this tech

2577
01:50:58,550 --> 01:50:55,760
around the world wouldn't there be

2578
01:51:01,350 --> 01:50:58,560
uh sightings from

2579
01:51:03,510 --> 01:51:01,360
you know russia or or china wouldn't

2580
01:51:04,310 --> 01:51:03,520
there be a reference from

2581
01:51:06,709 --> 01:51:04,320
uh

2582
01:51:08,390 --> 01:51:06,719
another tic tac sighting if we're using

2583
01:51:09,669 --> 01:51:08,400
this technology

2584
01:51:11,589 --> 01:51:09,679
wouldn't it be

2585
01:51:13,189 --> 01:51:11,599
i mean what's the advantage of having it

2586
01:51:15,669 --> 01:51:13,199
if we're not using it

2587
01:51:17,910 --> 01:51:15,679
well one part is that they're brazen

2588
01:51:19,430 --> 01:51:17,920
enough to bring this technology out

2589
01:51:20,709 --> 01:51:19,440
that's the first thing and the second

2590
01:51:22,709 --> 01:51:20,719
thing is

2591
01:51:25,350 --> 01:51:22,719
in some cases they're not going to pull

2592
01:51:26,709 --> 01:51:25,360
this out to go get saddam hussein or

2593
01:51:27,990 --> 01:51:26,719
osama bin laden they're not going to

2594
01:51:30,470 --> 01:51:28,000
waste their time because again we're

2595
01:51:32,310 --> 01:51:30,480
talking about the crown jewels here

2596
01:51:33,750 --> 01:51:32,320
we're talking about the ace and the hole

2597
01:51:36,470 --> 01:51:33,760
technology here they're not going to

2598
01:51:39,589 --> 01:51:36,480
roll that out just for a saddam hussein

2599
01:51:41,350 --> 01:51:39,599
type scenario that's reserved for

2600
01:51:42,950 --> 01:51:41,360
absolutely controlling the high ground

2601
01:51:45,109 --> 01:51:42,960
that's what those things are

2602
01:51:45,910 --> 01:51:45,119
okay and what would be

2603
01:51:47,589 --> 01:51:45,920
the

2604
01:51:50,629 --> 01:51:47,599
use of

2605
01:51:54,550 --> 01:51:52,629
power projection controlling the high

2606
01:51:56,149 --> 01:51:54,560
ground in a battlefield because once you

2607
01:51:58,149 --> 01:51:56,159
control the high ground you control the

2608
01:52:00,310 --> 01:51:58,159
war absolutely you gotta have air

2609
01:52:02,790 --> 01:52:00,320
dominance and they'll stop at nothing to

2610
01:52:04,709 --> 01:52:02,800
get air dominance at nothing

2611
01:52:07,030 --> 01:52:04,719
that'd be the first goal whatsoever what

2612
01:52:09,669 --> 01:52:07,040
but is the tic tac

2613
01:52:11,109 --> 01:52:09,679
what is it is it a reconnaissance drone

2614
01:52:12,870 --> 01:52:11,119
is it r

2615
01:52:14,470 --> 01:52:12,880
i don't i don't know

2616
01:52:16,229 --> 01:52:14,480
i don't know what that i mean maybe they

2617
01:52:18,470 --> 01:52:16,239
could use it for psychological warfare

2618
01:52:20,950 --> 01:52:18,480
operations that's possible who knows if

2619
01:52:23,109 --> 01:52:20,960
it has a weapon system seems to have

2620
01:52:25,189 --> 01:52:23,119
some type of a force field

2621
01:52:27,030 --> 01:52:25,199
but who knows if it has an offensive

2622
01:52:29,189 --> 01:52:27,040
weapon system

2623
01:52:30,709 --> 01:52:29,199
difficult to say but

2624
01:52:33,430 --> 01:52:30,719
i wouldn't discount it that it's

2625
01:52:35,270 --> 01:52:33,440
americans chasing americans i know a lot

2626
01:52:37,270 --> 01:52:35,280
of people don't want to hear that

2627
01:52:39,430 --> 01:52:37,280
it's something that we just can't rule

2628
01:52:41,990 --> 01:52:39,440
out though no there's plenty out there

2629
01:52:44,950 --> 01:52:42,000
that uh that think it's you know secret

2630
01:52:46,310 --> 01:52:44,960
u.s tech and it's it's not e.t

2631
01:52:48,470 --> 01:52:46,320
and we're not going to have that kind of

2632
01:52:50,950 --> 01:52:48,480
disclosure but here's here's the flip

2633
01:52:53,109 --> 01:52:50,960
side here's the rub for me

2634
01:52:55,430 --> 01:52:53,119
and and i'm

2635
01:52:57,189 --> 01:52:55,440
i'm a skeptic on this i am right in the

2636
01:52:58,629 --> 01:52:57,199
middle i don't know i don't know which

2637
01:52:59,830 --> 01:52:58,639
way to lean here

2638
01:53:03,270 --> 01:52:59,840
but

2639
01:53:06,070 --> 01:53:03,280
what are we doing uh still firing

2640
01:53:07,270 --> 01:53:06,080
rockets up to the international space

2641
01:53:10,070 --> 01:53:07,280
station

2642
01:53:13,990 --> 01:53:10,080
if we have any gravitic tech that could

2643
01:53:18,709 --> 01:53:14,000
safely take our crew members from

2644
01:53:22,310 --> 01:53:19,990
well that's a whole lot of the

2645
01:53:24,550 --> 01:53:22,320
discussion isn't it right using liquid

2646
01:53:26,390 --> 01:53:24,560
rockets and solid rockets why are we

2647
01:53:29,270 --> 01:53:26,400
still using that yeah well that's the

2648
01:53:30,790 --> 01:53:29,280
biggest tragedy of the world really

2649
01:53:32,629 --> 01:53:30,800
yeah we could have saved the challenger

2650
01:53:35,589 --> 01:53:32,639
astronauts because we already talked

2651
01:53:37,510 --> 01:53:35,599
about how they were already looking and

2652
01:53:39,510 --> 01:53:37,520
most likely reverse engineering these

2653
01:53:41,669 --> 01:53:39,520
things

2654
01:53:43,669 --> 01:53:41,679
in the 50s and the 60s

2655
01:53:46,310 --> 01:53:43,679
and challenger happened on january 28th

2656
01:53:48,070 --> 01:53:46,320
1986 that's a whole different discussion

2657
01:53:50,149 --> 01:53:48,080
yeah that's the mandela effect by the

2658
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:50,159
way i still think it was in 1985 but

2659
01:53:58,470 --> 01:53:54,480
that's a whole other story um the uh

2660
01:54:00,390 --> 01:53:58,480
uh the reveal of like the f-117 that

2661
01:54:02,870 --> 01:54:00,400
surprised all of us

2662
01:54:05,669 --> 01:54:02,880
um and and that we had something like

2663
01:54:08,470 --> 01:54:05,679
that and what nobody else in the world

2664
01:54:10,870 --> 01:54:08,480
was even close to us at that point

2665
01:54:12,629 --> 01:54:10,880
would the tic tac suggest that we are

2666
01:54:14,470 --> 01:54:12,639
indeed dealing with stuff that is not

2667
01:54:17,510 --> 01:54:14,480
going to be revealed for another 50

2668
01:54:21,350 --> 01:54:18,950
well

2669
01:54:22,550 --> 01:54:21,360
you could say that we have assets

2670
01:54:24,390 --> 01:54:22,560
that

2671
01:54:26,870 --> 01:54:24,400
are still appropriate to keep secret

2672
01:54:28,229 --> 01:54:26,880
about other people don't have them yeah

2673
01:54:29,990 --> 01:54:28,239
you could say that

2674
01:54:32,149 --> 01:54:30,000
would this also go back to something

2675
01:54:33,669 --> 01:54:32,159
like the phoenix lights where the

2676
01:54:37,030 --> 01:54:33,679
phoenix lights

2677
01:54:39,990 --> 01:54:37,040
again was our tech uh that flew over

2678
01:54:42,709 --> 01:54:40,000
phoenix and you know down across tucson

2679
01:54:44,709 --> 01:54:42,719
well i i wouldn't doubt the fact that

2680
01:54:46,550 --> 01:54:44,719
they have perfected holographic image

2681
01:54:48,390 --> 01:54:46,560
projection technology as well that's

2682
01:54:50,709 --> 01:54:48,400
something we should look at too

2683
01:54:53,830 --> 01:54:50,719
yeah that's a whole different technology

2684
01:54:56,070 --> 01:54:53,840
yeah i'm deeply interested in that um

2685
01:54:57,350 --> 01:54:56,080
now when when

2686
01:54:58,550 --> 01:54:57,360
when we hear

2687
01:55:05,430 --> 01:54:58,560
uh

2688
01:55:07,750 --> 01:55:05,440
that that name is thrown about i think

2689
01:55:10,470 --> 01:55:07,760
too easily these days

2690
01:55:12,390 --> 01:55:10,480
but um when you when you have belgium

2691
01:55:14,070 --> 01:55:12,400
you have the sightings over the united

2692
01:55:16,870 --> 01:55:14,080
kingdom certainly across the united

2693
01:55:19,750 --> 01:55:16,880
states and david marlar and others and

2694
01:55:22,470 --> 01:55:19,760
you um have spoken about these

2695
01:55:24,790 --> 01:55:22,480
documented sightings going back

2696
01:55:26,790 --> 01:55:24,800
is the tr3 be

2697
01:55:29,270 --> 01:55:26,800
uh fictitious

2698
01:55:33,510 --> 01:55:29,280
or is this a craft that is real

2699
01:55:35,750 --> 01:55:33,520
and and not e.t or is it et

2700
01:55:37,510 --> 01:55:35,760
what is the tr3b

2701
01:55:39,430 --> 01:55:37,520
just go back to

2702
01:55:42,070 --> 01:55:39,440
reviewing what the eyewitnesses had

2703
01:55:44,229 --> 01:55:42,080
talked about they said that they

2704
01:55:45,750 --> 01:55:44,239
saw the tubes pipes and cylinders on the

2705
01:55:48,070 --> 01:55:45,760
bottom of the craft and they also

2706
01:55:50,629 --> 01:55:48,080
reported a low frequency electrical

2707
01:55:52,550 --> 01:55:50,639
humming noise like a sewing machine or

2708
01:55:54,550 --> 01:55:52,560
an electrical transformer

2709
01:55:57,350 --> 01:55:54,560
so again we're hearing this

2710
01:55:59,990 --> 01:55:57,360
evidence of a high technological high

2711
01:56:02,149 --> 01:56:00,000
voltage electromagnetic field associated

2712
01:56:04,070 --> 01:56:02,159
with these craft and a lot of times when

2713
01:56:06,950 --> 01:56:04,080
these things fly over

2714
01:56:09,589 --> 01:56:06,960
lights on cars start flickering

2715
01:56:11,669 --> 01:56:09,599
so there's some type of a ce2 effect

2716
01:56:14,790 --> 01:56:11,679
associated with these vehicles

2717
01:56:15,510 --> 01:56:14,800
and uh

2718
01:56:22,950 --> 01:56:15,520
uh

2719
01:56:25,270 --> 01:56:22,960
we have the tr3b which to me is is small

2720
01:56:27,910 --> 01:56:25,280
but we have these descriptions of these

2721
01:56:31,350 --> 01:56:27,920
triangles sometimes uh you know a mile

2722
01:56:33,030 --> 01:56:31,360
long occupying the space of uh uh

2723
01:56:35,990 --> 01:56:33,040
covering a city

2724
01:56:38,149 --> 01:56:36,000
um flying in the skies now

2725
01:56:40,709 --> 01:56:38,159
i i'm not so sure

2726
01:56:43,990 --> 01:56:40,719
would our air force actually have

2727
01:56:49,990 --> 01:56:47,430
yeah that's a good question isn't it

2728
01:56:54,870 --> 01:56:51,430
well

2729
01:56:57,990 --> 01:56:54,880
think about it what could you do with

2730
01:56:59,270 --> 01:56:58,000
let's say 100 billion a year 200 billion

2731
01:57:00,790 --> 01:56:59,280
a year

2732
01:57:03,669 --> 01:57:00,800
who knows

2733
01:57:05,189 --> 01:57:03,679
um difficult to say i mean i wouldn't

2734
01:57:06,709 --> 01:57:05,199
put it beyond them

2735
01:57:08,229 --> 01:57:06,719
but that appears to be like the

2736
01:57:10,070 --> 01:57:08,239
theoretical limit right if it's a

2737
01:57:12,149 --> 01:57:10,080
holographic image then it could be any

2738
01:57:15,750 --> 01:57:12,159
size or it could be anything

2739
01:57:17,189 --> 01:57:15,760
but a structured craft being that large

2740
01:57:18,310 --> 01:57:17,199
difficult to say

2741
01:57:20,870 --> 01:57:18,320
and again

2742
01:57:22,790 --> 01:57:20,880
hard to prove that well we would i think

2743
01:57:26,229 --> 01:57:22,800
eventually see something sitting on the

2744
01:57:29,109 --> 01:57:26,239
ground right before it before it is

2745
01:57:32,229 --> 01:57:29,119
flown and well if it's a uso though

2746
01:57:33,830 --> 01:57:32,239
right if it's a uso then there'd be no

2747
01:57:36,070 --> 01:57:33,840
need for a hanger

2748
01:57:37,510 --> 01:57:36,080
no need for any kind of a above ground

2749
01:57:39,189 --> 01:57:37,520
storage

2750
01:57:41,589 --> 01:57:39,199
so that's something to to look at as

2751
01:57:43,830 --> 01:57:41,599
well now what do you make of that let's

2752
01:57:46,310 --> 01:57:43,840
stay right there before the break um

2753
01:57:49,910 --> 01:57:46,320
yeah the tic tac sightings

2754
01:57:51,669 --> 01:57:49,920
um have been nearly exclusively except

2755
01:57:53,589 --> 01:57:51,679
for you know if we go back to the lonnie

2756
01:57:54,470 --> 01:57:53,599
zamora right but

2757
01:57:57,270 --> 01:57:54,480
um

2758
01:57:59,750 --> 01:57:57,280
uh have been involving the united states

2759
01:58:01,030 --> 01:57:59,760
navy carrier battle groups off of both

2760
01:58:05,589 --> 01:58:01,040
coasts

2761
01:58:08,470 --> 01:58:05,599
and there have been suggestions um uh

2762
01:58:09,589 --> 01:58:08,480
from others lou elizondo being one

2763
01:58:12,070 --> 01:58:09,599
that

2764
01:58:13,270 --> 01:58:12,080
maybe these craft originate from the

2765
01:58:15,510 --> 01:58:13,280
ocean

2766
01:58:17,030 --> 01:58:15,520
well i'm glad you mentioned that

2767
01:58:19,669 --> 01:58:17,040
jimmy because i want to hit you with

2768
01:58:21,910 --> 01:58:19,679
another auto binder case that i think

2769
01:58:24,149 --> 01:58:21,920
plays an important role here we have

2770
01:58:27,270 --> 01:58:24,159
time for that we've got

2771
01:58:31,669 --> 01:58:29,750
this one sure okay so

2772
01:58:33,750 --> 01:58:31,679
this is directly from the auto binder

2773
01:58:35,669 --> 01:58:33,760
report it says may

2774
01:58:37,350 --> 01:58:35,679
1967

2775
01:58:38,310 --> 01:58:37,360
and there's a drawing associated with

2776
01:58:41,990 --> 01:58:38,320
this too

2777
01:58:44,709 --> 01:58:42,000
mr x name withheld by request of

2778
01:58:47,510 --> 01:58:44,719
anderson south carolina

2779
01:58:50,950 --> 01:58:47,520
was fishing on hartwell lake and saw an

2780
01:58:53,109 --> 01:58:50,960
octagonal ufo apparently pumping up

2781
01:58:56,070 --> 01:58:53,119
water through a metal tube

2782
01:58:58,870 --> 01:58:56,080
mr x was near enough to cast and strike

2783
01:59:00,830 --> 01:58:58,880
the object but nobody came out and it

2784
01:59:03,350 --> 01:59:00,840
soon shot away into the

2785
01:59:06,229 --> 01:59:03,360
sky that's not the only one of these

2786
01:59:10,229 --> 01:59:06,239
water pumper ufo cases i've got

2787
01:59:12,070 --> 01:59:10,239
even david marler has water pumper ufos

2788
01:59:14,229 --> 01:59:12,080
in it didn't make into his book but he

2789
01:59:16,070 --> 01:59:14,239
gave me the case so that's two

2790
01:59:19,109 --> 01:59:16,080
independent sources for these water

2791
01:59:21,109 --> 01:59:19,119
pumper ufos which could be classified as

2792
01:59:23,189 --> 01:59:21,119
a uso if it actually

2793
01:59:24,629 --> 01:59:23,199
you know was a submerged and then came

2794
01:59:27,109 --> 01:59:24,639
up onto the surface and that's where

2795
01:59:28,629 --> 01:59:27,119
this fisherman he cast his line and hid

2796
01:59:31,189 --> 01:59:28,639
it with his uh

2797
01:59:33,589 --> 01:59:31,199
with his fishing line so just another

2798
01:59:37,350 --> 01:59:33,599
case of these strange

2799
01:59:39,030 --> 01:59:37,360
possibly uso craft i remember

2800
01:59:43,910 --> 01:59:39,040
uh

2801
01:59:45,270 --> 01:59:43,920
back in the 1890s right the the the the

2802
01:59:48,709 --> 01:59:45,280
airship

2803
01:59:51,589 --> 01:59:48,719
sightings and one of those

2804
01:59:53,189 --> 01:59:51,599
um somebody came upon one of these

2805
01:59:55,430 --> 01:59:53,199
airships

2806
01:59:57,510 --> 01:59:55,440
that was next to a river

2807
02:00:00,310 --> 01:59:57,520
that had pipes hanging off of it that

2808
02:00:02,629 --> 02:00:00,320
was sucking water out of the river

2809
02:00:03,510 --> 02:00:02,639
well not only that there were anchors

2810
02:00:06,390 --> 02:00:03,520
being

2811
02:00:08,870 --> 02:00:06,400
lowered from these craft and there were

2812
02:00:10,550 --> 02:00:08,880
big black dogs on the deck of these

2813
02:00:12,470 --> 02:00:10,560
craft and they were shining high

2814
02:00:13,669 --> 02:00:12,480
intensity beaming spotlights on the

2815
02:00:15,669 --> 02:00:13,679
ground below

2816
02:00:18,709 --> 02:00:15,679
and they also said that they saw

2817
02:00:21,430 --> 02:00:18,719
quote-unquote well-dressed eccentric

2818
02:00:23,430 --> 02:00:21,440
inventor types with black top hats on

2819
02:00:25,750 --> 02:00:23,440
the hull of these craft as well well

2820
02:00:29,030 --> 02:00:25,760
this is back in 1897. well you have to

2821
02:00:32,629 --> 02:00:29,040
remember what uh uh

2822
02:00:34,950 --> 02:00:32,639
what was uh popular then you're you're

2823
02:00:36,629 --> 02:00:34,960
going to associate

2824
02:00:39,830 --> 02:00:36,639
you know how would you be able to

2825
02:00:42,870 --> 02:00:39,840
describe something you know from

2826
02:00:45,350 --> 02:00:42,880
something extraterrestrial uh or being

2827
02:00:47,510 --> 02:00:45,360
you're going to associate it with

2828
02:00:49,189 --> 02:00:47,520
uh what you see on the streets and and

2829
02:00:51,750 --> 02:00:49,199
what you see in the papers

2830
02:00:53,669 --> 02:00:51,760
so yeah i've often i've often thought

2831
02:00:54,709 --> 02:00:53,679
about that and and the

2832
02:00:56,950 --> 02:00:54,719
uh

2833
02:00:58,629 --> 02:00:56,960
there were balloons and there were

2834
02:01:01,109 --> 02:00:58,639
things that were

2835
02:01:02,790 --> 02:01:01,119
uh in the skies and there's lots of

2836
02:01:04,550 --> 02:01:02,800
things going on in france in the united

2837
02:01:07,430 --> 02:01:04,560
kingdom and and certainly over in new

2838
02:01:09,669 --> 02:01:07,440
york but to have these giant airships

2839
02:01:11,669 --> 02:01:09,679
seen all over the united states i always

2840
02:01:13,109 --> 02:01:11,679
found that very very interesting for

2841
02:01:16,950 --> 02:01:13,119
that time

2842
02:01:19,350 --> 02:01:16,960
where there wasn't any you know

2843
02:01:22,470 --> 02:01:19,360
of these balloon type craft in the

2844
02:01:24,149 --> 02:01:22,480
western united states at that time

2845
02:01:27,270 --> 02:01:24,159
well they yeah they were in oakland

2846
02:01:29,990 --> 02:01:27,280
sacramento san francisco all the way to

2847
02:01:32,950 --> 02:01:30,000
the east coast and then they had very

2848
02:01:34,390 --> 02:01:32,960
high intensity spotlights beaming down

2849
02:01:37,030 --> 02:01:34,400
so someone

2850
02:01:39,910 --> 02:01:37,040
figured out a way to have a mobile power

2851
02:01:41,669 --> 02:01:39,920
system that would have generated enough

2852
02:01:43,750 --> 02:01:41,679
electrical power to beam these

2853
02:01:45,109 --> 02:01:43,760
spotlights down that's something that's

2854
02:01:46,709 --> 02:01:45,119
important let's take our break right

2855
02:01:49,109 --> 02:01:46,719
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2856
02:01:50,950 --> 02:01:49,119
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2857
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2858
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2859
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2913
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2960
02:07:05,910 --> 02:07:04,560
welcome back fade to black i am your

2961
02:07:06,990 --> 02:07:05,920
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2962
02:07:09,109 --> 02:07:07,000
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2963
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2964
02:07:13,109 --> 02:07:10,719
always love it when he's on the show

2965
02:07:15,189 --> 02:07:13,119
because i learned something it's always

2966
02:07:16,550 --> 02:07:15,199
about keeping your ears open

2967
02:07:19,030 --> 02:07:16,560
and

2968
02:07:21,109 --> 02:07:19,040
michael do you expect to learn something

2969
02:07:24,390 --> 02:07:21,119
where you know you've got gillibrand and

2970
02:07:27,990 --> 02:07:24,400
and rubio uh attempting to

2971
02:07:31,109 --> 02:07:28,000
uh get some legislation passed about

2972
02:07:33,669 --> 02:07:31,119
uh not only ufos and uaps but what the

2973
02:07:36,229 --> 02:07:33,679
military is seeing uh the effects and

2974
02:07:38,709 --> 02:07:36,239
the health effects on individuals that

2975
02:07:41,109 --> 02:07:38,719
come in contact with uaps

2976
02:07:42,149 --> 02:07:41,119
and they want these reports to happen

2977
02:07:46,149 --> 02:07:42,159
now

2978
02:07:49,270 --> 02:07:46,159
you're fascinated with is military and

2979
02:07:51,109 --> 02:07:49,280
law enforcement and and that eyewitness

2980
02:07:53,270 --> 02:07:51,119
uh testimony when they encounter

2981
02:07:55,270 --> 02:07:53,280
something do you expect more of this to

2982
02:07:56,870 --> 02:07:55,280
become public

2983
02:07:59,270 --> 02:07:56,880
i just think jimmy that they're trying

2984
02:08:02,310 --> 02:07:59,280
to rebrand this as uap

2985
02:08:03,910 --> 02:08:02,320
and anything that happened prior to 2006

2986
02:08:08,550 --> 02:08:03,920
they're completely forgetting about it

2987
02:08:10,709 --> 02:08:08,560
they're rebranding it and it's like all

2988
02:08:12,390 --> 02:08:10,719
these other historical cases no longer

2989
02:08:15,030 --> 02:08:12,400
exist they're only taking things from

2990
02:08:16,790 --> 02:08:15,040
2006 and forward that's it

2991
02:08:17,910 --> 02:08:16,800
what about all these other cases they

2992
02:08:19,669 --> 02:08:17,920
can't just

2993
02:08:22,470 --> 02:08:19,679
you know sweep those under the carpet

2994
02:08:23,830 --> 02:08:22,480
and forget about them they won't go away

2995
02:08:25,189 --> 02:08:23,840
i think they're they're missing out on

2996
02:08:27,589 --> 02:08:25,199
so much

2997
02:08:30,629 --> 02:08:27,599
and and why do you think that is though

2998
02:08:34,950 --> 02:08:30,639
everybody is making that same point uh

2999
02:08:37,830 --> 02:08:34,960
right prior to a 2004 and the nimitz

3000
02:08:39,910 --> 02:08:37,840
that the uap report only covers you know

3001
02:08:42,229 --> 02:08:39,920
2004 and forward

3002
02:08:44,709 --> 02:08:42,239
but there's everything else to take into

3003
02:08:45,910 --> 02:08:44,719
account here correct why correct why do

3004
02:08:47,270 --> 02:08:45,920
you think that is why are they

3005
02:08:49,510 --> 02:08:47,280
dismissing it

3006
02:08:51,030 --> 02:08:49,520
i i still think that the giggle factor

3007
02:08:54,870 --> 02:08:51,040
is in place and they're trying to

3008
02:08:56,470 --> 02:08:54,880
de-legitimize these pre-history cases

3009
02:08:57,830 --> 02:08:56,480
and we can

3010
02:08:59,669 --> 02:08:57,840
talk about one of these right here i

3011
02:09:01,830 --> 02:08:59,679
want to hit you with another auto binder

3012
02:09:05,589 --> 02:09:01,840
case and this is like really pre-history

3013
02:09:07,709 --> 02:09:05,599
here okay so here's the text on this one

3014
02:09:11,109 --> 02:09:07,719
november 13th

3015
02:09:13,350 --> 02:09:11,119
1833 1833 we're talking about here

3016
02:09:15,189 --> 02:09:13,360
a crowd on both the american and

3017
02:09:18,229 --> 02:09:15,199
canadian sides

3018
02:09:20,870 --> 02:09:18,239
saw a peculiar square-shaped ufo hover

3019
02:09:23,510 --> 02:09:20,880
over niagara falls for an hour after

3020
02:09:25,510 --> 02:09:23,520
which it sped away toward the ocean

3021
02:09:27,830 --> 02:09:25,520
so you've got this cube hanging over

3022
02:09:30,709 --> 02:09:27,840
niagara falls for an hour multiple

3023
02:09:32,550 --> 02:09:30,719
witnesses saw this back in 1833

3024
02:09:34,790 --> 02:09:32,560
why isn't the u.s navy talking about

3025
02:09:37,669 --> 02:09:34,800
this or people at the pentagon

3026
02:09:40,550 --> 02:09:37,679
i mean these are historical cases

3027
02:09:42,149 --> 02:09:40,560
wait wait hold on a minute here

3028
02:09:43,069 --> 02:09:42,159
1833

3029
02:09:49,589 --> 02:09:43,079
18

3030
02:09:52,229 --> 02:09:49,599
you're an aerospace aircraft air

3031
02:09:55,669 --> 02:09:52,239
historian uh

3032
02:09:57,589 --> 02:09:55,679
what do we have in the skies in 1833

3033
02:09:58,870 --> 02:09:57,599
uh nothing to my knowledge that looks

3034
02:10:00,709 --> 02:09:58,880
like a cube

3035
02:10:02,629 --> 02:10:00,719
this thing looked like an ice cube

3036
02:10:03,910 --> 02:10:02,639
hovering in the sky above niagara falls

3037
02:10:06,790 --> 02:10:03,920
for an hour

3038
02:10:08,709 --> 02:10:06,800
back in 1833 nothing that i know of now

3039
02:10:10,950 --> 02:10:08,719
margie k is going to be on the show with

3040
02:10:13,910 --> 02:10:10,960
us tomorrow night and she released a

3041
02:10:15,750 --> 02:10:13,920
video uh that was sent to her a couple

3042
02:10:17,510 --> 02:10:15,760
of weeks ago

3043
02:10:19,830 --> 02:10:17,520
of a cube

3044
02:10:22,470 --> 02:10:19,840
uh yeah a rotating kit it's a

3045
02:10:26,069 --> 02:10:22,480
fascinating video um

3046
02:10:29,669 --> 02:10:26,079
uh i'm not sure what to make of it

3047
02:10:31,350 --> 02:10:29,679
but we also have some pretty modern uh

3048
02:10:33,510 --> 02:10:31,360
reports of cubes coming out of the

3049
02:10:35,750 --> 02:10:33,520
military including

3050
02:10:38,550 --> 02:10:35,760
uh reports off of the east coast about

3051
02:10:41,189 --> 02:10:38,560
fleets of cubes well there you go

3052
02:10:44,229 --> 02:10:41,199
there you go

3053
02:10:47,350 --> 02:10:44,239
so it's not on it's not unheard of but

3054
02:10:49,589 --> 02:10:47,360
to go back to 1833 i mean it predates

3055
02:10:51,669 --> 02:10:49,599
we're way we're way prior to kenneth

3056
02:10:54,149 --> 02:10:51,679
arnold here this whole concept of

3057
02:10:56,390 --> 02:10:54,159
kenneth arnold spearheading and the

3058
02:10:59,109 --> 02:10:56,400
origin point of ufology it's completely

3059
02:11:01,950 --> 02:10:59,119
false this stuff goes way way prior to

3060
02:11:03,589 --> 02:11:01,960
that uh here's another one jimmy july

3061
02:11:06,310 --> 02:11:03,599
1868

3062
02:11:08,870 --> 02:11:06,320
villagers in campagio chile

3063
02:11:10,390 --> 02:11:08,880
were frightened by a giant armor-plated

3064
02:11:13,270 --> 02:11:10,400
machine

3065
02:11:15,270 --> 02:11:13,280
covered with steel scales whose twin

3066
02:11:16,550 --> 02:11:15,280
searchlight eyes stabbed down

3067
02:11:19,750 --> 02:11:16,560
brilliantly

3068
02:11:22,310 --> 02:11:19,760
back in 1868 this predates the 1897

3069
02:11:24,870 --> 02:11:22,320
mystery airship wave

3070
02:11:26,790 --> 02:11:24,880
and it had steel scales on it and

3071
02:11:27,669 --> 02:11:26,800
someone's flying this stuff

3072
02:11:28,470 --> 02:11:27,679
and

3073
02:11:35,669 --> 02:11:28,480
the

3074
02:11:38,790 --> 02:11:35,679
where

3075
02:11:41,750 --> 02:11:38,800
you hear about them when

3076
02:11:43,030 --> 02:11:41,760
uh they are trying to describe exactly

3077
02:11:44,229 --> 02:11:43,040
what they are seeing but they're having

3078
02:11:46,069 --> 02:11:44,239
trouble

3079
02:11:48,629 --> 02:11:46,079
because there isn't anything there isn't

3080
02:11:51,830 --> 02:11:48,639
anything to compare it to

3081
02:11:54,550 --> 02:11:51,840
but yet they are seeing something in the

3082
02:11:57,189 --> 02:11:54,560
sky and they are doing their best

3083
02:12:01,109 --> 02:11:57,199
uh to describe something that is

3084
02:12:02,629 --> 02:12:01,119
completely unfamiliar to them

3085
02:12:04,550 --> 02:12:02,639
just to the best of their knowledge

3086
02:12:05,669 --> 02:12:04,560
they're describing it yes that's correct

3087
02:12:08,470 --> 02:12:05,679
that's correct

3088
02:12:09,990 --> 02:12:08,480
uh here's another one jimmy january 24th

3089
02:12:13,430 --> 02:12:10,000
1968

3090
02:12:16,069 --> 02:12:13,440
at indiana pennsylvania a witness saw a

3091
02:12:18,390 --> 02:12:16,079
saucer hovering over a pond with two

3092
02:12:19,750 --> 02:12:18,400
occupants who were apparently repairing

3093
02:12:21,589 --> 02:12:19,760
their equipment

3094
02:12:23,990 --> 02:12:21,599
that's something we've heard about too

3095
02:12:25,830 --> 02:12:24,000
like they're pulling levers they're

3096
02:12:28,550 --> 02:12:25,840
attempting to fix something the source

3097
02:12:30,310 --> 02:12:28,560
on this is uh george fawcett so there's

3098
02:12:32,390 --> 02:12:30,320
there's a reference for it there but

3099
02:12:34,390 --> 02:12:32,400
yeah i've heard multiple reports where

3100
02:12:36,149 --> 02:12:34,400
you know like these things land they

3101
02:12:37,669 --> 02:12:36,159
make repairs and they take off before

3102
02:12:38,950 --> 02:12:37,679
the guy can get to him that that's

3103
02:12:39,669 --> 02:12:38,960
something we've heard of here's another

3104
02:12:42,229 --> 02:12:39,679
one

3105
02:12:45,750 --> 02:12:42,239
july 30th 1909

3106
02:12:48,470 --> 02:12:45,760
wakaika valley new zealand men aboard a

3107
02:12:50,470 --> 02:12:48,480
dredge reported a boat-shaped ufo that

3108
02:12:56,790 --> 02:12:50,480
circled all around with two human-like

3109
02:13:00,870 --> 02:12:59,030
shag harbor

3110
02:13:04,149 --> 02:13:00,880
and if we

3111
02:13:05,750 --> 02:13:04,159
take all of the accounts of shag harbor

3112
02:13:07,510 --> 02:13:05,760
um and

3113
02:13:08,550 --> 02:13:07,520
and go back and take a close look at

3114
02:13:13,589 --> 02:13:08,560
that

3115
02:13:14,629 --> 02:13:13,599
harbor uh were pretty clear in saying

3116
02:13:20,069 --> 02:13:14,639
that

3117
02:13:21,030 --> 02:13:20,079
yeah

3118
02:13:22,069 --> 02:13:21,040
wow

3119
02:13:24,069 --> 02:13:22,079
right

3120
02:13:26,629 --> 02:13:24,079
isn't that something

3121
02:13:28,790 --> 02:13:26,639
and uh if um

3122
02:13:31,430 --> 02:13:28,800
if

3123
02:13:34,550 --> 02:13:31,440
what would constitute

3124
02:13:36,149 --> 02:13:34,560
the inability to fly in our own

3125
02:13:38,470 --> 02:13:36,159
atmosphere

3126
02:13:41,030 --> 02:13:38,480
you know when when you hear

3127
02:13:43,030 --> 02:13:41,040
the the skeptics say look then you fly

3128
02:13:45,750 --> 02:13:43,040
across the universe and then you you

3129
02:13:48,149 --> 02:13:45,760
crash your ship once you get here

3130
02:13:50,550 --> 02:13:48,159
why would that be

3131
02:13:52,470 --> 02:13:50,560
it's kind of screaming terrestrial it

3132
02:13:54,950 --> 02:13:52,480
really is

3133
02:13:56,629 --> 02:13:54,960
or or a pre-existing high-tech

3134
02:13:58,709 --> 02:13:56,639
civilization that's already been living

3135
02:14:00,550 --> 02:13:58,719
on this planet for thousands of years

3136
02:14:02,229 --> 02:14:00,560
they may be good but they may not be

3137
02:14:04,709 --> 02:14:02,239
infallible you know maybe they make

3138
02:14:06,149 --> 02:14:04,719
mistakes it's possible

3139
02:14:07,910 --> 02:14:06,159
um they're definitely dealing with

3140
02:14:10,149 --> 02:14:07,920
another level of technology so it could

3141
02:14:11,910 --> 02:14:10,159
be one of those two

3142
02:14:14,470 --> 02:14:11,920
you know the fact that they're repairing

3143
02:14:16,390 --> 02:14:14,480
their craft

3144
02:14:18,870 --> 02:14:16,400
it just screams man-made technology it

3145
02:14:20,629 --> 02:14:18,880
streams it just screams terrestrial

3146
02:14:23,430 --> 02:14:20,639
technology

3147
02:14:25,669 --> 02:14:23,440
if you um with all of your

3148
02:14:28,790 --> 02:14:25,679
um now i've sat with you i've seen your

3149
02:14:30,629 --> 02:14:28,800
three ring binders i've i've i've i've

3150
02:14:33,910 --> 02:14:30,639
flipped through the pages

3151
02:14:35,990 --> 02:14:33,920
um with all of that reference material

3152
02:14:38,430 --> 02:14:36,000
um that you have access to

3153
02:14:41,430 --> 02:14:38,440
what's the ratio of

3154
02:14:44,709 --> 02:14:41,440
extraterrestrial to terrestrial

3155
02:14:46,550 --> 02:14:44,719
that's hard to say right i mean

3156
02:14:49,510 --> 02:14:46,560
how would i know exactly which one is

3157
02:14:51,510 --> 02:14:49,520
which i did write a white paper report

3158
02:14:53,350 --> 02:14:51,520
ours or theirs you know

3159
02:14:55,270 --> 02:14:53,360
and there's all these telltale signs

3160
02:14:57,669 --> 02:14:55,280
that you can run through like

3161
02:15:00,229 --> 02:14:57,679
high frequency electrical humming noise

3162
02:15:02,390 --> 02:15:00,239
a fluttering flight path

3163
02:15:04,629 --> 02:15:02,400
ce2 effects

3164
02:15:07,189 --> 02:15:04,639
on electrical machines like car engines

3165
02:15:08,550 --> 02:15:07,199
and car lights uh tubes pipes and so

3166
02:15:09,910 --> 02:15:08,560
there's a whole series of things that

3167
02:15:12,390 --> 02:15:09,920
you can gauge

3168
02:15:14,229 --> 02:15:12,400
what apparently could be ours or theirs

3169
02:15:16,470 --> 02:15:14,239
i would say

3170
02:15:18,229 --> 02:15:16,480
a good eighty percent ours could be up

3171
02:15:20,229 --> 02:15:18,239
to ninety percent

3172
02:15:21,270 --> 02:15:20,239
so when you get into these prehistory

3173
02:15:23,430 --> 02:15:21,280
cases

3174
02:15:25,430 --> 02:15:23,440
then it's like they start falling off

3175
02:15:28,149 --> 02:15:25,440
the radar screen

3176
02:15:31,189 --> 02:15:28,159
it starts getting questionable back then

3177
02:15:33,109 --> 02:15:31,199
uh leaning towards a hundred percent

3178
02:15:34,629 --> 02:15:33,119
well it sort of looks that way here's

3179
02:15:38,149 --> 02:15:34,639
another one jimmy

3180
02:15:40,790 --> 02:15:38,159
1882 near ascension isle a british

3181
02:15:43,270 --> 02:15:40,800
steamer came upon a gigantic ufo

3182
02:15:45,589 --> 02:15:43,280
floating in the ocean at least 800 feet

3183
02:15:47,910 --> 02:15:45,599
long or nearly as big as the queen

3184
02:15:49,830 --> 02:15:47,920
elizabeth which slowly sank beneath the

3185
02:15:53,270 --> 02:15:49,840
waves and vanished from sight back in

3186
02:15:55,030 --> 02:15:53,280
1880 to an 800 foot long uso that

3187
02:15:56,229 --> 02:15:55,040
submerged

3188
02:15:58,790 --> 02:15:56,239
well

3189
02:16:01,830 --> 02:15:58,800
a lot of ocean out there i mean there's

3190
02:16:05,750 --> 02:16:02,709
okay

3191
02:16:07,189 --> 02:16:05,760
now let's shift gears yes

3192
02:16:09,750 --> 02:16:07,199
what do we do with the

3193
02:16:12,229 --> 02:16:09,760
the abduction phenomenon and and those

3194
02:16:15,430 --> 02:16:12,239
that have encountered

3195
02:16:20,629 --> 02:16:15,440
uh extraterrestrial beings and

3196
02:16:24,950 --> 02:16:22,390
jimmy that's just not an area of my

3197
02:16:26,550 --> 02:16:24,960
expertise but i have heard reports of

3198
02:16:29,109 --> 02:16:26,560
some of that going on in the hudson

3199
02:16:33,509 --> 02:16:29,119
valley where there are beings associated

3200
02:16:36,549 --> 02:16:33,519
but that's just not my error research

3201
02:16:40,629 --> 02:16:36,559
but that's not my question what do we do

3202
02:16:43,429 --> 02:16:40,639
with all of these reports and if uh

3203
02:16:46,070 --> 02:16:43,439
things continue and if we

3204
02:16:48,950 --> 02:16:46,080
uh move towards disclosure like we are

3205
02:16:50,309 --> 02:16:48,960
today i mean we are to take these giant

3206
02:16:51,750 --> 02:16:50,319
strides

3207
02:16:55,750 --> 02:16:51,760
this is something

3208
02:17:00,309 --> 02:16:57,990
maybe that's one reason why they're not

3209
02:17:01,990 --> 02:17:00,319
forthcoming because they're trying to

3210
02:17:03,349 --> 02:17:02,000
run out the clock on all of this stuff i

3211
02:17:04,629 --> 02:17:03,359
mean they've already run out the clock

3212
02:17:06,070 --> 02:17:04,639
on roswell

3213
02:17:07,830 --> 02:17:06,080
there's virtually no one left now

3214
02:17:09,349 --> 02:17:07,840
there's no first-hand witnesses left

3215
02:17:10,309 --> 02:17:09,359
anymore i mean they're basically all

3216
02:17:12,150 --> 02:17:10,319
gone

3217
02:17:13,030 --> 02:17:12,160
uh don schmidt can fill you in and all

3218
02:17:15,030 --> 02:17:13,040
that

3219
02:17:16,389 --> 02:17:15,040
we just got done doing a whole series of

3220
02:17:18,709 --> 02:17:16,399
illustrations

3221
02:17:20,790 --> 02:17:18,719
associated with the roswell incident

3222
02:17:22,309 --> 02:17:20,800
but there's nobody left of the 509th

3223
02:17:24,230 --> 02:17:22,319
bomb group that's alive they even talk

3224
02:17:25,990 --> 02:17:24,240
about it anymore firsthand witnesses are

3225
02:17:28,230 --> 02:17:26,000
basically all gone

3226
02:17:30,549 --> 02:17:28,240
they have you know stanton always talked

3227
02:17:32,150 --> 02:17:30,559
about how we're racing the undertaker

3228
02:17:34,709 --> 02:17:32,160
not anymore we're not

3229
02:17:36,790 --> 02:17:34,719
the undertaker juan in this case

3230
02:17:39,509 --> 02:17:36,800
there's no first-hand witnesses left

3231
02:17:41,830 --> 02:17:39,519
there is a there's one fascinating

3232
02:17:43,270 --> 02:17:41,840
statistic for me that i encountered

3233
02:17:46,150 --> 02:17:43,280
firsthand

3234
02:17:50,070 --> 02:17:46,160
and because uh

3235
02:17:53,669 --> 02:17:50,080
i'm a i'm a radio guy and i love radio

3236
02:17:58,070 --> 02:17:53,679
broadcasters and i love the old shows

3237
02:17:59,589 --> 02:17:58,080
and if you go back and listen to long

3238
02:18:02,629 --> 02:17:59,599
john neville

3239
02:18:04,549 --> 02:18:02,639
from the mid-50s uh all the way through

3240
02:18:05,669 --> 02:18:04,559
to the end of his career in the early

3241
02:18:07,750 --> 02:18:05,679
70s

3242
02:18:09,190 --> 02:18:07,760
you and all of his shows are archived

3243
02:18:12,790 --> 02:18:09,200
and you can go and listen to them and

3244
02:18:15,110 --> 02:18:12,800
he's got everybody on the shows

3245
02:18:16,870 --> 02:18:15,120
um including kenneth arnold right he

3246
02:18:20,070 --> 02:18:16,880
even had on uh

3247
02:18:22,830 --> 02:18:20,080
uh one of the one of his uh great shows

3248
02:18:25,990 --> 02:18:22,840
for me was arthur c clark in like

3249
02:18:28,830 --> 02:18:26,000
1958. right okay so

3250
02:18:31,509 --> 02:18:28,840
of all of those years

3251
02:18:36,549 --> 02:18:31,519
everybody on that show

3252
02:18:39,669 --> 02:18:36,559
talking about uh everything from uh nazi

3253
02:18:40,629 --> 02:18:39,679
uh you know ufos and flying saucers and

3254
02:18:45,270 --> 02:18:40,639
and

3255
02:18:48,870 --> 02:18:45,280
course kenneth arnold all of the famous

3256
02:18:50,870 --> 02:18:48,880
cases but they they're not once

3257
02:18:53,190 --> 02:18:50,880
was roswell mentioned

3258
02:18:55,429 --> 02:18:53,200
on the long john neville show

3259
02:18:58,629 --> 02:18:55,439
and and and

3260
02:19:00,950 --> 02:18:58,639
the the thing is for me uh michael going

3261
02:19:03,509 --> 02:19:00,960
back directly to your point

3262
02:19:04,549 --> 02:19:03,519
the roswell daily record and

3263
02:19:09,110 --> 02:19:04,559
the

3264
02:19:12,150 --> 02:19:09,120
that was reported about roswell in july

3265
02:19:14,150 --> 02:19:12,160
of 1947 was out there and all of the

3266
02:19:16,790 --> 02:19:14,160
journalists were racing to roswell new

3267
02:19:18,549 --> 02:19:16,800
mexico to get this thing covered

3268
02:19:20,629 --> 02:19:18,559
and then the

3269
02:19:22,709 --> 02:19:20,639
uh the weather balloon story comes out

3270
02:19:24,790 --> 02:19:22,719
there's nothing to see here

3271
02:19:27,190 --> 02:19:24,800
that case stopped

3272
02:19:29,509 --> 02:19:27,200
and nobody mentioned it nobody mentioned

3273
02:19:31,110 --> 02:19:29,519
it until 1980.

3274
02:19:34,070 --> 02:19:31,120
can can we spend three minutes on

3275
02:19:36,549 --> 02:19:34,080
roswell jimmy we certainly can okay so

3276
02:19:39,429 --> 02:19:36,559
let's let's do this now i put this map

3277
02:19:41,750 --> 02:19:39,439
together with don schmidt you know under

3278
02:19:43,349 --> 02:19:41,760
the strict direction of don schmidt so

3279
02:19:45,990 --> 02:19:43,359
it's pretty much been

3280
02:19:47,190 --> 02:19:46,000
verified by down he he will vouch for

3281
02:19:49,270 --> 02:19:47,200
this um

3282
02:19:50,309 --> 02:19:49,280
so when we talk about the roswell

3283
02:19:53,270 --> 02:19:50,319
incident

3284
02:19:56,070 --> 02:19:53,280
we need to talk about all four

3285
02:19:57,750 --> 02:19:56,080
sectors of this incident on this map

3286
02:20:00,389 --> 02:19:57,760
here okay so

3287
02:20:02,230 --> 02:20:00,399
i'm looking at a map of roswell

3288
02:20:03,990 --> 02:20:02,240
and we're all we always hear about the

3289
02:20:05,910 --> 02:20:04,000
crash site we hear about the debris

3290
02:20:07,190 --> 02:20:05,920
field and everything so i want to break

3291
02:20:09,670 --> 02:20:07,200
this down

3292
02:20:11,349 --> 02:20:09,680
specifically and we're in the trajectory

3293
02:20:13,190 --> 02:20:11,359
so we can get kind of a sight picture

3294
02:20:17,670 --> 02:20:13,200
here okay so

3295
02:20:18,510 --> 02:20:17,680
the actual event happened 11 59 p.m july

3296
02:20:21,830 --> 02:20:18,520
2nd

3297
02:20:24,630 --> 02:20:21,840
1947. on the morning of the third that's

3298
02:20:26,790 --> 02:20:24,640
when mack brazil and timothy b proctor

3299
02:20:28,950 --> 02:20:26,800
who was seven years old at the time

3300
02:20:32,070 --> 02:20:28,960
that's when they both came across that

3301
02:20:34,870 --> 02:20:32,080
debris field and the 10 foot wide by 200

3302
02:20:37,270 --> 02:20:34,880
foot long gouge with all this debris

3303
02:20:39,590 --> 02:20:37,280
okay so that's like scene number one

3304
02:20:41,110 --> 02:20:39,600
here so

3305
02:20:41,910 --> 02:20:41,120
here's something that people don't talk

3306
02:20:44,710 --> 02:20:41,920
about

3307
02:20:47,110 --> 02:20:44,720
we know that the impact site was 35

3308
02:20:50,389 --> 02:20:47,120
miles north of roswell and the

3309
02:20:53,030 --> 02:20:50,399
trajectory was from the northwest to the

3310
02:20:55,510 --> 02:20:53,040
southeast and it actually came to rest

3311
02:20:58,469 --> 02:20:55,520
35 miles north of roswell so if we

3312
02:21:00,550 --> 02:20:58,479
backtrack the flight path we end up

3313
02:21:02,710 --> 02:21:00,560
getting to the debris field but then

3314
02:21:04,870 --> 02:21:02,720
about five miles north of the debris

3315
02:21:07,110 --> 02:21:04,880
field which is like no one ever talks

3316
02:21:08,790 --> 02:21:07,120
about this jimmy no one ever talks about

3317
02:21:10,550 --> 02:21:08,800
there is another site called the

3318
02:21:13,590 --> 02:21:10,560
touchdown site

3319
02:21:16,389 --> 02:21:13,600
that's where wherever this thing was

3320
02:21:17,670 --> 02:21:16,399
appear to have touched down made contact

3321
02:21:20,870 --> 02:21:17,680
with the ground

3322
02:21:23,349 --> 02:21:20,880
and fused the sand into green glass

3323
02:21:24,710 --> 02:21:23,359
the same type trinite that we see at

3324
02:21:26,630 --> 02:21:24,720
trinity site

3325
02:21:29,030 --> 02:21:26,640
where they have explosion of atomic bomb

3326
02:21:30,790 --> 02:21:29,040
and everything so there there was fused

3327
02:21:34,630 --> 02:21:30,800
green glass there and that was confirmed

3328
02:21:37,750 --> 02:21:34,640
by lewis ricketts and also lincoln lapaz

3329
02:21:40,630 --> 02:21:37,760
and this touchdown site is also the

3330
02:21:43,910 --> 02:21:40,640
location jimmy where they found a

3331
02:21:45,750 --> 02:21:43,920
small black seamless box

3332
02:21:48,150 --> 02:21:45,760
and to this day

3333
02:21:50,630 --> 02:21:48,160
i don't think don schmidt knows

3334
02:21:52,550 --> 02:21:50,640
or anyone knows if that black box was

3335
02:21:54,309 --> 02:21:52,560
ever opened we have no idea what's in

3336
02:21:57,429 --> 02:21:54,319
that black box they recovered but they

3337
02:21:59,830 --> 02:21:57,439
did recover a black seamless box about

3338
02:22:02,389 --> 02:21:59,840
the size of a small bread box that that

3339
02:22:03,910 --> 02:22:02,399
did happen okay five miles south of the

3340
02:22:05,990 --> 02:22:03,920
touchdown site

3341
02:22:07,670 --> 02:22:06,000
that's where we have the debris field

3342
02:22:09,830 --> 02:22:07,680
that's the the common everyone knows

3343
02:22:12,950 --> 02:22:09,840
about the debris field now if we keep

3344
02:22:15,590 --> 02:22:12,960
heading south southeast

3345
02:22:18,309 --> 02:22:15,600
we end up with the impact site

3346
02:22:20,469 --> 02:22:18,319
where there were two bodies recovered

3347
02:22:22,950 --> 02:22:20,479
and one was still alive and they

3348
02:22:24,950 --> 02:22:22,960
recovered an egg-shaped craft with a

3349
02:22:27,030 --> 02:22:24,960
small dome on top with a hull breech

3350
02:22:28,870 --> 02:22:27,040
this was not a flying saucer it was not

3351
02:22:32,550 --> 02:22:28,880
a man-to-shape craft it was an

3352
02:22:34,150 --> 02:22:32,560
egg-shaped craft that was the size

3353
02:22:36,950 --> 02:22:34,160
basically don schmidt said it was the

3354
02:22:39,429 --> 02:22:36,960
size of a volkswagen now two and a half

3355
02:22:42,070 --> 02:22:39,439
miles west of the impact site you've got

3356
02:22:44,230 --> 02:22:42,080
the second body site where two more

3357
02:22:46,309 --> 02:22:44,240
bodies were recovered for a grand total

3358
02:22:50,070 --> 02:22:46,319
of five bodies recovered one was still

3359
02:22:54,070 --> 02:22:50,080
alive and the survivor jimmy survive

3360
02:22:57,270 --> 02:22:54,080
until may of 1948 and then he died

3361
02:22:59,110 --> 02:22:57,280
okay so what's the fourth so we have

3362
02:23:00,790 --> 02:22:59,120
so you've got the touchdown site you've

3363
02:23:02,389 --> 02:23:00,800
got the debris field you've got the

3364
02:23:06,389 --> 02:23:02,399
impact site and you've got the second

3365
02:23:08,630 --> 02:23:06,399
body site those are four four points

3366
02:23:10,550 --> 02:23:08,640
those are the four

3367
02:23:13,030 --> 02:23:10,560
scenarios associated with the roswell

3368
02:23:15,670 --> 02:23:13,040
incident all from the same craft all

3369
02:23:17,590 --> 02:23:15,680
from the same craft yes so it's not just

3370
02:23:19,270 --> 02:23:17,600
the you know the impact site that we

3371
02:23:22,070 --> 02:23:19,280
know of and everything you've got the

3372
02:23:25,030 --> 02:23:22,080
touchdown site the debris field the

3373
02:23:27,030 --> 02:23:25,040
impact site and then the the second body

3374
02:23:29,590 --> 02:23:27,040
site there so there are four sites

3375
02:23:32,389 --> 02:23:29,600
associated with roswell and and so going

3376
02:23:33,750 --> 02:23:32,399
back to my point uh

3377
02:23:36,309 --> 02:23:33,760
how

3378
02:23:39,830 --> 02:23:36,319
was it possible

3379
02:23:43,670 --> 02:23:39,840
for our military to absolutely keep that

3380
02:23:45,830 --> 02:23:43,680
under wraps un until 1980 where well

3381
02:23:47,590 --> 02:23:45,840
it's fascinating to me

3382
02:23:51,750 --> 02:23:47,600
they didn't they didn't keep it under

3383
02:23:53,510 --> 02:23:51,760
wraps because by by july 8th of 1947

3384
02:23:54,309 --> 02:23:53,520
when the retrieval operation started

3385
02:23:56,550 --> 02:23:54,319
going

3386
02:23:59,190 --> 02:23:56,560
it was already burning up the town of

3387
02:24:01,590 --> 02:23:59,200
roswell the the whole concept of a

3388
02:24:04,550 --> 02:24:01,600
flying saucer coming down north of

3389
02:24:07,590 --> 02:24:04,560
roswell was burning up the airwaves and

3390
02:24:09,349 --> 02:24:07,600
all around it was a palatable bloodlust

3391
02:24:12,070 --> 02:24:09,359
in roswell at the time for people

3392
02:24:13,349 --> 02:24:12,080
driving up there and to get souvenirs it

3393
02:24:15,590 --> 02:24:13,359
was just like

3394
02:24:18,870 --> 02:24:15,600
permeating roswell so they didn't keep

3395
02:24:21,990 --> 02:24:18,880
it a secret but it got out but but

3396
02:24:24,550 --> 02:24:22,000
this is my point though yeah um long

3397
02:24:26,550 --> 02:24:24,560
john neville who had the biggest radio

3398
02:24:29,429 --> 02:24:26,560
show in the country the party line out

3399
02:24:33,429 --> 02:24:29,439
of wor in new york city

3400
02:24:35,830 --> 02:24:33,439
had on every ufologist everybody that

3401
02:24:38,710 --> 02:24:35,840
was a part of

3402
02:24:40,389 --> 02:24:38,720
all investigations on his show

3403
02:24:42,550 --> 02:24:40,399
six nights a week

3404
02:24:44,870 --> 02:24:42,560
and nobody you can go back and look

3405
02:24:47,830 --> 02:24:44,880
nobody mentions roswell

3406
02:24:49,590 --> 02:24:47,840
it's fascinating to me i mean it it just

3407
02:24:50,469 --> 02:24:49,600
blows my mind

3408
02:24:53,030 --> 02:24:50,479
well we

3409
02:24:54,950 --> 02:24:53,040
don't know that when sheriff wilcox

3410
02:24:56,469 --> 02:24:54,960
drove up to the site there were already

3411
02:24:59,030 --> 02:24:56,479
people there parked at the side of the

3412
02:25:02,630 --> 02:24:59,040
road they were already looking

3413
02:25:04,870 --> 02:25:02,640
so they knew about it and well but um uh

3414
02:25:07,670 --> 02:25:04,880
i i guess you're not understanding what

3415
02:25:10,469 --> 02:25:07,680
i'm suggesting here which is

3416
02:25:14,070 --> 02:25:10,479
um it kenneth arnold

3417
02:25:16,309 --> 02:25:14,080
multiple multiple shows that he did uh

3418
02:25:17,910 --> 02:25:16,319
with long john neville talking about the

3419
02:25:20,070 --> 02:25:17,920
phenomenon

3420
02:25:23,110 --> 02:25:20,080
that how um

3421
02:25:26,469 --> 02:25:23,120
the air force was able the army and the

3422
02:25:27,429 --> 02:25:26,479
military able to squash this story

3423
02:25:30,230 --> 02:25:27,439
because

3424
02:25:32,550 --> 02:25:30,240
nobody spoke about it kenneth arnold it

3425
02:25:34,950 --> 02:25:32,560
happened right after his sighting and it

3426
02:25:36,389 --> 02:25:34,960
was obviously out

3427
02:25:38,150 --> 02:25:36,399
in the public

3428
02:25:40,630 --> 02:25:38,160
but when they are going back and

3429
02:25:42,230 --> 02:25:40,640
discussing all of these cases on the

3430
02:25:44,389 --> 02:25:42,240
long john neville show it was never

3431
02:25:46,469 --> 02:25:44,399
mentioned and it's not mentioned in any

3432
02:25:49,030 --> 02:25:46,479
documentaries it's not mentioned in

3433
02:25:49,910 --> 02:25:49,040
anything that was done in the 70s

3434
02:25:53,830 --> 02:25:49,920
uh

3435
02:25:56,790 --> 02:25:53,840
it it was just completely wiped

3436
02:26:00,469 --> 02:25:56,800
there were multiple eyewitnesses on july

3437
02:26:02,710 --> 02:26:00,479
8 1947 including two paper boys who saw

3438
02:26:05,429 --> 02:26:02,720
a military convoy

3439
02:26:08,550 --> 02:26:05,439
that included two jeeps up front an

3440
02:26:10,630 --> 02:26:08,560
18-wheeler tractor trailer lowboy

3441
02:26:11,830 --> 02:26:10,640
and then two more jeeps behind that

3442
02:26:15,270 --> 02:26:11,840
trailer

3443
02:26:17,670 --> 02:26:15,280
carrying an egg-shaped craft with a tarp

3444
02:26:19,190 --> 02:26:17,680
over the top of it going into roswell

3445
02:26:21,590 --> 02:26:19,200
army airfield

3446
02:26:23,110 --> 02:26:21,600
hangar p3 building 84.

3447
02:26:25,590 --> 02:26:23,120
so we we have there were multiple

3448
02:26:27,110 --> 02:26:25,600
eyewitnesses that saw that for sure

3449
02:26:28,710 --> 02:26:27,120
and uh

3450
02:26:32,309 --> 02:26:28,720
the

3451
02:26:37,270 --> 02:26:35,510
called ufo from 1956 which i think is

3452
02:26:39,190 --> 02:26:37,280
one of the greatest documentaries ever

3453
02:26:41,510 --> 02:26:39,200
made by the way it's absolutely

3454
02:26:44,550 --> 02:26:41,520
incredible covering the entire

3455
02:26:45,429 --> 02:26:44,560
phenomenon including the 1952

3456
02:26:51,110 --> 02:26:45,439
uh

3457
02:26:53,190 --> 02:26:51,120
sightings

3458
02:26:56,150 --> 02:26:53,200
no mention of roswell

3459
02:26:58,710 --> 02:26:56,160
and i and i just think to myself how

3460
02:27:01,270 --> 02:26:58,720
fascinating is this where it's on the

3461
02:27:02,630 --> 02:27:01,280
cover of the roswell daily record two

3462
02:27:05,750 --> 02:27:02,640
days in a row

3463
02:27:09,270 --> 02:27:05,760
um and and all of the wood and

3464
02:27:12,469 --> 02:27:09,280
everything and and nobody brought it up

3465
02:27:14,790 --> 02:27:12,479
historically until 1980. it's it's

3466
02:27:16,630 --> 02:27:14,800
mind-blowing and if if anybody ever

3467
02:27:19,190 --> 02:27:16,640
wants to ask well how can it be covered

3468
02:27:22,469 --> 02:27:19,200
up well look at the roswell case

3469
02:27:24,150 --> 02:27:22,479
i mean that was effectively squashed

3470
02:27:26,150 --> 02:27:24,160
completely

3471
02:27:28,150 --> 02:27:26,160
if if the roswell case was just a

3472
02:27:29,349 --> 02:27:28,160
weather balloon why would you build a

3473
02:27:31,830 --> 02:27:29,359
crate

3474
02:27:33,429 --> 02:27:31,840
and loaded into the bombay of a b-29

3475
02:27:35,830 --> 02:27:33,439
called straight flush

3476
02:27:37,910 --> 02:27:35,840
this had been the night of july 8th and

3477
02:27:40,230 --> 02:27:37,920
then the morning of july 9th and then

3478
02:27:42,550 --> 02:27:40,240
flew out the next morning and why if it

3479
02:27:44,550 --> 02:27:42,560
was a weather balloon would you have two

3480
02:27:47,510 --> 02:27:44,560
perimeter screens

3481
02:27:50,070 --> 02:27:47,520
with military mps posted inside and

3482
02:27:52,950 --> 02:27:50,080
outside of those perimeter screens with

3483
02:27:55,429 --> 02:27:52,960
orders to shoot to kill anyone who tries

3484
02:27:57,270 --> 02:27:55,439
to get near that crate that they built

3485
02:27:59,030 --> 02:27:57,280
that they put in atomic bomb pit number

3486
02:28:01,270 --> 02:27:59,040
one which they later loaded into the

3487
02:28:02,950 --> 02:28:01,280
bombay of straight flush and then

3488
02:28:05,030 --> 02:28:02,960
afterwards

3489
02:28:07,190 --> 02:28:05,040
when these guys were done guarding this

3490
02:28:08,950 --> 02:28:07,200
wooden crate with the bodies in it

3491
02:28:11,349 --> 02:28:08,960
their clothes

3492
02:28:13,270 --> 02:28:11,359
permeated with the stench of the

3493
02:28:16,150 --> 02:28:13,280
decomposing bodies

3494
02:28:18,710 --> 02:28:16,160
the wives of the mps had to burn their

3495
02:28:23,110 --> 02:28:18,720
fatigues that's how bad it was

3496
02:28:24,710 --> 02:28:23,120
yeah it's uh it's it's still um i am

3497
02:28:27,590 --> 02:28:24,720
completely

3498
02:28:30,710 --> 02:28:27,600
blown away how effective uh it was

3499
02:28:33,590 --> 02:28:30,720
squashed and if anybody wants to

3500
02:28:35,910 --> 02:28:33,600
go and look at any ufo documentary made

3501
02:28:38,710 --> 02:28:35,920
between 1950

3502
02:28:41,349 --> 02:28:38,720
and 1980 there's no roswell listen to

3503
02:28:44,630 --> 02:28:41,359
any radio show listen to any eyewitness

3504
02:28:46,790 --> 02:28:44,640
a anything any researcher

3505
02:28:49,030 --> 02:28:46,800
and nobody brings up roswell

3506
02:28:51,750 --> 02:28:49,040
i mean it's it's it's fascinating to me

3507
02:28:55,429 --> 02:28:51,760
and how effective that campaign was do

3508
02:28:56,630 --> 02:28:55,439
you think that uh that was uh

3509
02:29:15,510 --> 02:28:56,640
the

3510
02:29:17,830 --> 02:29:15,520
um and that was an official statement uh

3511
02:29:20,389 --> 02:29:17,840
on behalf of the us army

3512
02:29:23,429 --> 02:29:20,399
and and then turn around and flipping it

3513
02:29:25,750 --> 02:29:23,439
you know the next day and that's the

3514
02:29:26,630 --> 02:29:25,760
instead of going public they decided to

3515
02:29:29,750 --> 02:29:26,640
go

3516
02:29:31,990 --> 02:29:29,760
uh completely top secret

3517
02:29:32,870 --> 02:29:32,000
well let's keep in mind too that

3518
02:29:35,750 --> 02:29:32,880
by

3519
02:29:38,389 --> 02:29:35,760
42 they already had two crash retrievals

3520
02:29:40,870 --> 02:29:38,399
right because we've got the cape gerardo

3521
02:29:43,349 --> 02:29:40,880
which is april 20th 1941 and then the

3522
02:29:47,270 --> 02:29:43,359
battle los angeles which is 1942 so by

3523
02:29:49,030 --> 02:29:47,280
47 they already had at least two saucers

3524
02:29:51,510 --> 02:29:49,040
in their possession

3525
02:29:53,110 --> 02:29:51,520
so they had some practice already

3526
02:29:55,670 --> 02:29:53,120
do you think are you saying that we

3527
02:29:58,710 --> 02:29:55,680
recovered the battle of los angeles

3528
02:30:03,110 --> 02:29:58,720
craft yes i yes i am saying that yes i

3529
02:30:08,230 --> 02:30:05,110
okay let's talk about that

3530
02:30:10,389 --> 02:30:08,240
i am here this is the first i've heard

3531
02:30:11,990 --> 02:30:10,399
yeah okay here let me hit you with it

3532
02:30:13,990 --> 02:30:12,000
here okay so since we're talking about

3533
02:30:15,510 --> 02:30:14,000
this now we didn't go in order but

3534
02:30:17,750 --> 02:30:15,520
that's okay so

3535
02:30:19,590 --> 02:30:17,760
if you want to hear and learn about the

3536
02:30:22,230 --> 02:30:19,600
cape girardeau so that's where we want

3537
02:30:23,349 --> 02:30:22,240
to begin here cape girardeau ufo crash

3538
02:30:26,950 --> 02:30:23,359
retrieval

3539
02:30:29,110 --> 02:30:26,960
it's the november 2001 mufon journal did

3540
02:30:31,030 --> 02:30:29,120
a very good article they interviewed

3541
02:30:33,110 --> 02:30:31,040
charlotte man who we already talked

3542
02:30:35,110 --> 02:30:33,120
about her she was associated with the

3543
02:30:36,070 --> 02:30:35,120
1963

3544
02:30:38,630 --> 02:30:36,080
via

3545
02:30:40,070 --> 02:30:38,640
melvin mcnickle okay so

3546
02:30:42,389 --> 02:30:40,080
the scene is

3547
02:30:44,389 --> 02:30:42,399
it's around 9 30 p.m

3548
02:30:46,790 --> 02:30:44,399
and charlotte

3549
02:30:50,230 --> 02:30:46,800
was the granddaughter of a baptist

3550
02:30:52,309 --> 02:30:50,240
minister named reverend william hoffman

3551
02:30:55,429 --> 02:30:52,319
he's the primary eyewitness he's long

3552
02:30:57,750 --> 02:30:55,439
since gone but charlotte is still alive

3553
02:31:00,950 --> 02:30:57,760
he was he was the minister that they

3554
02:31:02,070 --> 02:31:00,960
brought up to give these the the last

3555
02:31:04,710 --> 02:31:02,080
rights

3556
02:31:07,270 --> 02:31:04,720
well well done jimmy well done yes so he

3557
02:31:08,950 --> 02:31:07,280
got a knock on the door at 9 30 p.m

3558
02:31:11,270 --> 02:31:08,960
and there was a police officer standing

3559
02:31:12,070 --> 02:31:11,280
in the doorway and he said

3560
02:31:14,870 --> 02:31:12,080
sir

3561
02:31:17,110 --> 02:31:14,880
i believe we have an aircraft crash and

3562
02:31:19,270 --> 02:31:17,120
we'd like you to join us just in case

3563
02:31:20,870 --> 02:31:19,280
you're needed they originally thought it

3564
02:31:22,469 --> 02:31:20,880
was an aircraft crash they didn't think

3565
02:31:25,190 --> 02:31:22,479
it was a ufo they didn't think it was a

3566
02:31:27,190 --> 02:31:25,200
flying saucer they legitimately thought

3567
02:31:31,030 --> 02:31:27,200
it was an aircraft crash and this is

3568
02:31:32,389 --> 02:31:31,040
again april 20th 1941. so he gets into

3569
02:31:35,429 --> 02:31:32,399
the squad car

3570
02:31:37,030 --> 02:31:35,439
they drive to across town about 20

3571
02:31:38,070 --> 02:31:37,040
minutes across town to where this

3572
02:31:41,590 --> 02:31:38,080
actually

3573
02:31:43,510 --> 02:31:41,600
uh occurred and when they got there

3574
02:31:45,030 --> 02:31:43,520
the the military did not get there yet

3575
02:31:47,190 --> 02:31:45,040
so this is another instance where the

3576
02:31:49,349 --> 02:31:47,200
military did not get there

3577
02:31:51,349 --> 02:31:49,359
uh what they saw were there were some

3578
02:31:54,389 --> 02:31:51,359
police officers there there were a

3579
02:31:56,870 --> 02:31:54,399
number of farm hands on site and there

3580
02:31:57,910 --> 02:31:56,880
were newspaper photographers going

3581
02:32:00,550 --> 02:31:57,920
around

3582
02:32:02,950 --> 02:32:00,560
with these flash bulb cameras and taking

3583
02:32:04,550 --> 02:32:02,960
photographs of all this stuff okay and

3584
02:32:06,550 --> 02:32:04,560
there were some burning flames and

3585
02:32:09,030 --> 02:32:06,560
embers in the background but then there

3586
02:32:11,270 --> 02:32:09,040
was this approximately 35 to 40 foot

3587
02:32:13,910 --> 02:32:11,280
diameter disc shaped craft that was

3588
02:32:16,309 --> 02:32:13,920
augered into the ground oh you could say

3589
02:32:18,550 --> 02:32:16,319
about 25 inches at about a

3590
02:32:21,750 --> 02:32:18,560
40 degree angle of attack there was a

3591
02:32:23,990 --> 02:32:21,760
whole breach on the side of the craft

3592
02:32:26,710 --> 02:32:24,000
reverend william hoffman stated to his

3593
02:32:29,190 --> 02:32:26,720
family that he was able to walk next to

3594
02:32:30,469 --> 02:32:29,200
the craft he could look inside of the

3595
02:32:32,790 --> 02:32:30,479
hull breach

3596
02:32:34,710 --> 02:32:32,800
and he saw buttons and switches and

3597
02:32:37,670 --> 02:32:34,720
levers and dials kind of mechanical

3598
02:32:40,950 --> 02:32:37,680
looking but then he said that there were

3599
02:32:43,510 --> 02:32:40,960
three small statured beings wearing

3600
02:32:45,510 --> 02:32:43,520
tight-fitting blue flight suits and two

3601
02:32:46,550 --> 02:32:45,520
of them were dead and one was still

3602
02:32:49,190 --> 02:32:46,560
alive

3603
02:32:51,110 --> 02:32:49,200
uh he knelt over the one that was still

3604
02:32:54,309 --> 02:32:51,120
living and then it passed 60 seconds

3605
02:32:55,670 --> 02:32:54,319
later at that point the military got

3606
02:32:58,870 --> 02:32:55,680
involved

3607
02:32:59,910 --> 02:32:58,880
the fire department was on scene as well

3608
02:33:01,990 --> 02:32:59,920
and

3609
02:33:03,910 --> 02:33:02,000
what's interesting is

3610
02:33:06,070 --> 02:33:03,920
what they ended up doing is

3611
02:33:08,230 --> 02:33:06,080
there were a couple of farm hands that

3612
02:33:10,389 --> 02:33:08,240
picked up one of these dead alien

3613
02:33:12,230 --> 02:33:10,399
corpses it sounds

3614
02:33:13,830 --> 02:33:12,240
too incredible to be true

3615
02:33:16,070 --> 02:33:13,840
so that the scene is

3616
02:33:17,110 --> 02:33:16,080
on one side of this alien body you've

3617
02:33:20,150 --> 02:33:17,120
got this

3618
02:33:22,550 --> 02:33:20,160
you know farm person holding this dead

3619
02:33:24,150 --> 02:33:22,560
alien corpse up under his armpits and

3620
02:33:26,790 --> 02:33:24,160
the other guy's doing the same thing on

3621
02:33:27,750 --> 02:33:26,800
the other side and they outstretch his

3622
02:33:29,910 --> 02:33:27,760
arms

3623
02:33:33,030 --> 02:33:29,920
and one of these newspaper photographers

3624
02:33:34,389 --> 02:33:33,040
snaps a photograph of this thing okay

3625
02:33:37,110 --> 02:33:34,399
now

3626
02:33:39,830 --> 02:33:37,120
reverend huffman gets home

3627
02:33:42,150 --> 02:33:39,840
and he's shocked he's you know he's

3628
02:33:43,429 --> 02:33:42,160
shooken up he brings his family together

3629
02:33:46,389 --> 02:33:43,439
and he states

3630
02:33:47,910 --> 02:33:46,399
i saw something today that is absolutely

3631
02:33:49,349 --> 02:33:47,920
going to change my life i'm going to

3632
02:33:50,950 --> 02:33:49,359
mention it once and i'm never going to

3633
02:33:53,910 --> 02:33:50,960
mention it again and he lays out the

3634
02:33:55,670 --> 02:33:53,920
entire story to everybody there

3635
02:33:57,429 --> 02:33:55,680
and then you know it's like he never

3636
02:34:00,710 --> 02:33:57,439
talked about it again

3637
02:34:02,790 --> 02:34:00,720
two weeks later jimmy two weeks later

3638
02:34:05,750 --> 02:34:02,800
that photographer that took that

3639
02:34:08,389 --> 02:34:05,760
photograph knocks on the door of the of

3640
02:34:10,710 --> 02:34:08,399
the baptist minister reverend hoffman

3641
02:34:12,230 --> 02:34:10,720
and he says uh i have something for you

3642
02:34:15,429 --> 02:34:12,240
that i want you to have

3643
02:34:17,910 --> 02:34:15,439
and he hands him the photograph

3644
02:34:19,590 --> 02:34:17,920
of the alien being propped up and that

3645
02:34:22,230 --> 02:34:19,600
photograph that he took

3646
02:34:23,590 --> 02:34:22,240
now that that photograph was handed down

3647
02:34:26,070 --> 02:34:23,600
through the family

3648
02:34:27,750 --> 02:34:26,080
charlotte man held that photograph in

3649
02:34:29,510 --> 02:34:27,760
her hand she actually held that

3650
02:34:31,030 --> 02:34:29,520
photograph

3651
02:34:35,670 --> 02:34:31,040
and then

3652
02:34:38,070 --> 02:34:35,680
summer i guess it was early 1970s

3653
02:34:40,150 --> 02:34:38,080
not sure the exact date but

3654
02:34:42,150 --> 02:34:40,160
a quote-unquote neighbor who was a

3655
02:34:44,630 --> 02:34:42,160
photography expert

3656
02:34:47,429 --> 02:34:44,640
he asked if he could borrow

3657
02:34:49,670 --> 02:34:47,439
that photograph and that photograph was

3658
02:34:51,910 --> 02:34:49,680
never returned that photograph was never

3659
02:34:53,990 --> 02:34:51,920
returned so what i ended up doing with

3660
02:34:57,190 --> 02:34:54,000
my good friend tom bogan

3661
02:35:00,469 --> 02:34:57,200
is we put together all the information

3662
02:35:02,790 --> 02:35:00,479
and we created a replica

3663
02:35:04,389 --> 02:35:02,800
i know the listening audience won't be

3664
02:35:07,710 --> 02:35:04,399
able to see this but

3665
02:35:11,030 --> 02:35:07,720
we created a replica of what this

3666
02:35:13,270 --> 02:35:11,040
1941 photograph might look like

3667
02:35:16,150 --> 02:35:13,280
including the aging now now charlotte

3668
02:35:18,070 --> 02:35:16,160
said that it had uh scallops like the

3669
02:35:19,910 --> 02:35:18,080
old black and white photograph they used

3670
02:35:22,309 --> 02:35:19,920
to have scallops around the border

3671
02:35:24,150 --> 02:35:22,319
that's what this thing looked like

3672
02:35:26,550 --> 02:35:24,160
of course this would be over 70 years

3673
02:35:28,469 --> 02:35:26,560
old by now and would be ripped up and

3674
02:35:31,110 --> 02:35:28,479
faded and so i don't know if you can see

3675
02:35:33,510 --> 02:35:31,120
this jimmy but this is the replica

3676
02:35:36,469 --> 02:35:33,520
that we uh created here i'm going to try

3677
02:35:38,630 --> 02:35:36,479
to do a large screen here

3678
02:35:40,309 --> 02:35:38,640
this is it this is the replica of what

3679
02:35:42,630 --> 02:35:40,319
we believe that photograph may have

3680
02:35:45,030 --> 02:35:42,640
looked like with the being being held up

3681
02:35:48,070 --> 02:35:45,040
by the two oh i see

3682
02:35:50,309 --> 02:35:48,080
yep you see okay okay it'd be faded and

3683
02:35:52,309 --> 02:35:50,319
ripped and scrapped and scallops around

3684
02:35:54,070 --> 02:35:52,319
here but that's what it would look like

3685
02:35:56,230 --> 02:35:54,080
similar to this that looks pretty

3686
02:35:58,630 --> 02:35:56,240
authentic man

3687
02:36:01,030 --> 02:35:58,640
that's a good job okay so what michael

3688
02:36:03,830 --> 02:36:01,040
showed me i i pictured it the other way

3689
02:36:07,190 --> 02:36:03,840
around uh the opposite so the being is

3690
02:36:10,389 --> 02:36:07,200
being held up and the being's arms so

3691
02:36:13,030 --> 02:36:10,399
the two guys are behind the being

3692
02:36:14,950 --> 02:36:13,040
uh on the side on the sides and one is

3693
02:36:16,870 --> 02:36:14,960
holding up one arm one's holding up the

3694
02:36:18,550 --> 02:36:16,880
other and the alien

3695
02:36:19,670 --> 02:36:18,560
is in the middle about half the size of

3696
02:36:22,950 --> 02:36:19,680
the guys

3697
02:36:25,349 --> 02:36:22,960
correct correct okay so jimmy what

3698
02:36:26,950 --> 02:36:25,359
evidence do we have that's really cool

3699
02:36:28,790 --> 02:36:26,960
by the way

3700
02:36:30,790 --> 02:36:28,800
hey man we hit you with the 22 inch rims

3701
02:36:32,550 --> 02:36:30,800
here brother that was pretty good okay

3702
02:36:35,030 --> 02:36:32,560
all right so what evidence do we have to

3703
02:36:36,630 --> 02:36:35,040
back any of this up and then to tie in

3704
02:36:38,309 --> 02:36:36,640
the better los angeles craft here's

3705
02:36:41,270 --> 02:36:38,319
where we're going to tie it in now i

3706
02:36:42,630 --> 02:36:41,280
spoke to ryan wood and i said ryan i you

3707
02:36:44,469 --> 02:36:42,640
know we've done all this research on

3708
02:36:45,830 --> 02:36:44,479
cape girardeau oh one thing i forgot to

3709
02:36:48,790 --> 02:36:45,840
mention

3710
02:36:51,030 --> 02:36:48,800
uh our good friend

3711
02:36:52,309 --> 02:36:51,040
rush limbaugh plays a role in cape

3712
02:36:55,830 --> 02:36:52,319
girardeau too

3713
02:36:57,910 --> 02:36:55,840
because before rush limbaugh became the

3714
02:37:00,389 --> 02:36:57,920
rush limbaugh that we all know and love

3715
02:37:03,110 --> 02:37:00,399
right the radio announcer rush limbaugh

3716
02:37:05,990 --> 02:37:03,120
before he was a radio announcer he used

3717
02:37:08,150 --> 02:37:06,000
to live in cape girardeau missouri and

3718
02:37:11,990 --> 02:37:08,160
he used to be an umpire in cape

3719
02:37:14,230 --> 02:37:12,000
girardeau missouri and in 1997

3720
02:37:16,630 --> 02:37:14,240
there was a caller that called in and

3721
02:37:19,030 --> 02:37:16,640
said you know rush i've heard the story

3722
02:37:20,950 --> 02:37:19,040
that there's this ufo crash retrieval

3723
02:37:22,710 --> 02:37:20,960
that took place in 1941 and they

3724
02:37:25,429 --> 02:37:22,720
actually got the bodies and the craft

3725
02:37:27,429 --> 02:37:25,439
and is there any truth to that

3726
02:37:30,309 --> 02:37:27,439
and all he would say is there's more of

3727
02:37:33,190 --> 02:37:30,319
that story than you know and he hung up

3728
02:37:34,230 --> 02:37:33,200
and that's the end of that

3729
02:37:38,389 --> 02:37:34,240
so

3730
02:37:40,550 --> 02:37:38,399
fast forward let's tie in better los

3731
02:37:43,030 --> 02:37:40,560
angeles here i got this memo

3732
02:37:45,190 --> 02:37:43,040
from uh ryan wood and you can get it on

3733
02:37:47,349 --> 02:37:45,200
majesticdocuments.com

3734
02:37:48,790 --> 02:37:47,359
and he said here here's the supporting

3735
02:37:51,429 --> 02:37:48,800
evidence

3736
02:37:55,270 --> 02:37:51,439
to both cape girardeau and battle los

3737
02:37:58,230 --> 02:37:55,280
angeles this is a re-type memo from fdr

3738
02:38:01,270 --> 02:37:58,240
so fl franklin del oro roosevelt our

3739
02:38:04,630 --> 02:38:01,280
president to general george c marshall

3740
02:38:06,870 --> 02:38:04,640
dated february 27 1942 this is the

3741
02:38:08,790 --> 02:38:06,880
president talking now here's the memo

3742
02:38:11,349 --> 02:38:08,800
and i'm gonna just read the first first

3743
02:38:14,150 --> 02:38:11,359
part of it it says

3744
02:38:15,349 --> 02:38:14,160
i have considered the disposition of the

3745
02:38:18,070 --> 02:38:15,359
material

3746
02:38:19,510 --> 02:38:18,080
in possession of the army that may be of

3747
02:38:21,590 --> 02:38:19,520
great significance toward the

3748
02:38:24,070 --> 02:38:21,600
development of a super weapon

3749
02:38:25,990 --> 02:38:24,080
i disagree with the argument that such

3750
02:38:29,110 --> 02:38:26,000
information should be shared with our

3751
02:38:31,590 --> 02:38:29,120
ally the soviet union consultation with

3752
02:38:34,389 --> 02:38:31,600
dr bush and other scientists on the

3753
02:38:37,110 --> 02:38:34,399
issue of finding practical uses for the

3754
02:38:40,070 --> 02:38:37,120
atomic secrets learned from the study of

3755
02:38:42,790 --> 02:38:40,080
celestial devices precludes any further

3756
02:38:44,790 --> 02:38:42,800
discussion and i therefore authorize dr

3757
02:38:46,870 --> 02:38:44,800
bush to proceed with the project without

3758
02:38:48,870 --> 02:38:46,880
further delay okay so let me break this

3759
02:38:52,150 --> 02:38:48,880
down look at the wording here jimmy look

3760
02:38:56,389 --> 02:38:52,160
at the wording first of all they say

3761
02:38:58,790 --> 02:38:56,399
material in possession of the army okay

3762
02:39:00,070 --> 02:38:58,800
so there you go they already have

3763
02:39:01,710 --> 02:39:00,080
material

3764
02:39:06,710 --> 02:39:01,720
as of

3765
02:39:08,870 --> 02:39:06,720
1942 that includes battle los angeles

3766
02:39:11,270 --> 02:39:08,880
and uh cape girardeau that would have

3767
02:39:13,990 --> 02:39:11,280
been 41 then he says they're the

3768
02:39:15,670 --> 02:39:14,000
development of a super weapon of war so

3769
02:39:18,710 --> 02:39:15,680
they're trying to figure out how to

3770
02:39:20,550 --> 02:39:18,720
reverse engine their technology so that

3771
02:39:22,870 --> 02:39:20,560
they can make a weapon out of it and

3772
02:39:25,670 --> 02:39:22,880
then they talk about sharing information

3773
02:39:27,670 --> 02:39:25,680
with the ally the soviet union and that

3774
02:39:30,469 --> 02:39:27,680
the atomic secrets learned from the

3775
02:39:33,030 --> 02:39:30,479
study of celestial devices jimmy who

3776
02:39:34,550 --> 02:39:33,040
uses that word wording nobody does not

3777
02:39:36,950 --> 02:39:34,560
1942

3778
02:39:39,830 --> 02:39:36,960
right celestial devices is period

3779
02:39:41,349 --> 02:39:39,840
correct for that time frame there you go

3780
02:39:44,469 --> 02:39:41,359
now uh

3781
02:39:47,590 --> 02:39:44,479
the one the one part about uh

3782
02:39:49,270 --> 02:39:47,600
the battle of los angeles which happened

3783
02:39:52,950 --> 02:39:49,280
right that happened

3784
02:39:55,429 --> 02:39:52,960
is that they fired you know 1200 uh any

3785
02:39:57,590 --> 02:39:55,439
aircraft rounds at this

3786
02:39:59,670 --> 02:39:57,600
and didn't bring it down you know fired

3787
02:40:01,910 --> 02:39:59,680
at this thing for hours

3788
02:40:02,950 --> 02:40:01,920
and then there's no mention of it

3789
02:40:04,950 --> 02:40:02,960
right

3790
02:40:07,590 --> 02:40:04,960
i would have i've often thought that

3791
02:40:09,429 --> 02:40:07,600
they that they shot it down

3792
02:40:11,750 --> 02:40:09,439
it had they did bring something down

3793
02:40:13,830 --> 02:40:11,760
they did recover something i mean

3794
02:40:16,389 --> 02:40:13,840
it's right there it's not like it was

3795
02:40:18,790 --> 02:40:16,399
you know 10 miles in the sky it was

3796
02:40:20,710 --> 02:40:18,800
right there over santa monica

3797
02:40:24,070 --> 02:40:20,720
clearly illuminated

3798
02:40:27,510 --> 02:40:24,080
uh went down the coast went south

3799
02:40:28,550 --> 02:40:27,520
um uh to cherry hill where

3800
02:40:32,150 --> 02:40:28,560
uh

3801
02:40:34,630 --> 02:40:32,160
harbor

3802
02:40:36,950 --> 02:40:34,640
and was covered

3803
02:40:38,870 --> 02:40:36,960
in any aircraft batteries

3804
02:40:41,830 --> 02:40:38,880
right here in this document they say

3805
02:40:44,150 --> 02:40:41,840
material in possession of the army they

3806
02:40:46,389 --> 02:40:44,160
have something they have something some

3807
02:40:48,469 --> 02:40:46,399
type of physical material

3808
02:40:51,670 --> 02:40:48,479
now uh which

3809
02:40:53,990 --> 02:40:51,680
which uh i'd like to uh kind of wrap up

3810
02:40:55,910 --> 02:40:54,000
tonight even though yep uh

3811
02:40:58,550 --> 02:40:55,920
we've we've gone way over and i blew

3812
02:41:00,150 --> 02:40:58,560
past a commercial break sorry about that

3813
02:41:03,830 --> 02:41:00,160
um is that

3814
02:41:05,590 --> 02:41:03,840
um going to the legislation that is

3815
02:41:07,349 --> 02:41:05,600
being pushed through

3816
02:41:08,550 --> 02:41:07,359
uh today

3817
02:41:12,309 --> 02:41:08,560
um

3818
02:41:14,469 --> 02:41:12,319
do you expect uh disclosure to come from

3819
02:41:17,349 --> 02:41:14,479
from our government are we

3820
02:41:20,550 --> 02:41:17,359
are we pushing them towards that

3821
02:41:23,269 --> 02:41:20,560
or is this an end around for them

3822
02:41:24,710 --> 02:41:23,279
to to say that yes we're being visited

3823
02:41:26,389 --> 02:41:24,720
by e.t

3824
02:41:28,710 --> 02:41:26,399
um but

3825
02:41:30,550 --> 02:41:28,720
we haven't had the technology wouldn't

3826
02:41:33,830 --> 02:41:30,560
that be the outrage

3827
02:41:34,950 --> 02:41:33,840
if uh if if our government has been in

3828
02:41:41,030 --> 02:41:34,960
in

3829
02:41:43,110 --> 02:41:41,040
used to benefit humanity and and and

3830
02:41:45,030 --> 02:41:43,120
they've kept it to themselves

3831
02:41:47,429 --> 02:41:45,040
well we we've already got the testimony

3832
02:41:51,349 --> 02:41:47,439
from the marine who's not only

3833
02:41:55,429 --> 02:41:53,830
it sure looks like they've done it jimmy

3834
02:41:57,590 --> 02:41:55,439
it sure looks like they have it now

3835
02:41:59,830 --> 02:41:57,600
don't ask me ask jackie gleason but we

3836
02:42:00,630 --> 02:41:59,840
can't because he's dead right

3837
02:42:02,870 --> 02:42:00,640
but

3838
02:42:05,030 --> 02:42:02,880
if you go back to what he was talking

3839
02:42:07,269 --> 02:42:05,040
about and i don't know if we have time

3840
02:42:09,670 --> 02:42:07,279
to to oh we do you talking about

3841
02:42:11,429 --> 02:42:09,680
homestead yeah i think we should talk

3842
02:42:13,670 --> 02:42:11,439
about this as well okay so

3843
02:42:17,190 --> 02:42:13,680
very quickly here the time frame here is

3844
02:42:20,309 --> 02:42:17,200
february 19th 1973.

3845
02:42:22,630 --> 02:42:20,319
jackie gleason is basically the host of

3846
02:42:25,750 --> 02:42:22,640
the inverary golf outing

3847
02:42:28,550 --> 02:42:25,760
and so president richard nixon is there

3848
02:42:32,070 --> 02:42:28,560
and jackie gleason as most people know

3849
02:42:34,230 --> 02:42:32,080
was a huge ufo paranormal proponent i

3850
02:42:36,790 --> 02:42:34,240
mean he has a huge library it was devo

3851
02:42:38,950 --> 02:42:36,800
it was all donated to the university of

3852
02:42:40,550 --> 02:42:38,960
miami and there's like a thousand books

3853
02:42:42,230 --> 02:42:40,560
on paranormal

3854
02:42:44,070 --> 02:42:42,240
that's well known that's that's never

3855
02:42:45,269 --> 02:42:44,080
been in question so

3856
02:42:47,830 --> 02:42:45,279
and so he

3857
02:42:51,110 --> 02:42:47,840
basically they were at the ninth hole

3858
02:42:52,469 --> 02:42:51,120
and the subject of ufos came up as it

3859
02:42:55,110 --> 02:42:52,479
often does

3860
02:42:58,630 --> 02:42:55,120
and so jackie gleason turns to president

3861
02:43:00,550 --> 02:42:58,640
nixon and says uh mr president uh what

3862
02:43:03,750 --> 02:43:00,560
can you tell me about ufos you're the

3863
02:43:06,070 --> 02:43:03,760
president you have you should know right

3864
02:43:08,150 --> 02:43:06,080
and he says well jackie if you'll be

3865
02:43:09,990 --> 02:43:08,160
available later this evening i might be

3866
02:43:11,510 --> 02:43:10,000
able to help you with that so jackie

3867
02:43:13,590 --> 02:43:11,520
didn't think too much of it they fit

3868
02:43:16,309 --> 02:43:13,600
they finished their golf game jackie

3869
02:43:17,269 --> 02:43:16,319
went home and then around 11 o'clock at

3870
02:43:19,190 --> 02:43:17,279
night

3871
02:43:21,190 --> 02:43:19,200
there's a knock on the door

3872
02:43:22,710 --> 02:43:21,200
jackie gleason goes to the door opens

3873
02:43:25,349 --> 02:43:22,720
the door and it's none other than

3874
02:43:27,670 --> 02:43:25,359
president nixon alone without the secret

3875
02:43:29,750 --> 02:43:27,680
service he drove his own car

3876
02:43:31,590 --> 02:43:29,760
and he says well jackie you know what we

3877
02:43:33,830 --> 02:43:31,600
were talking about on the golf course

3878
02:43:35,510 --> 02:43:33,840
this afternoon and jackie said yes

3879
02:43:37,830 --> 02:43:35,520
he says well

3880
02:43:39,670 --> 02:43:37,840
why don't you come follow me so

3881
02:43:41,990 --> 02:43:39,680
the president gets in the car jackie

3882
02:43:44,150 --> 02:43:42,000
gleason gets to the passenger side

3883
02:43:46,710 --> 02:43:44,160
they drive now here's the thing i've

3884
02:43:48,710 --> 02:43:46,720
heard two conflicting reports number one

3885
02:43:51,190 --> 02:43:48,720
jackie gleason was living in miami at

3886
02:43:55,030 --> 02:43:51,200
the time or jackie gleason was living in

3887
02:43:57,190 --> 02:43:55,040
invaria florida at the time either way

3888
02:43:59,510 --> 02:43:57,200
he was at one of these two locations

3889
02:44:00,870 --> 02:43:59,520
most likely in very or it could could

3890
02:44:02,389 --> 02:44:00,880
have been miami and because it's

3891
02:44:04,469 --> 02:44:02,399
important that we know where they

3892
02:44:05,830 --> 02:44:04,479
started from okay so

3893
02:44:07,910 --> 02:44:05,840
they're driving

3894
02:44:09,990 --> 02:44:07,920
and they're heading south toward

3895
02:44:14,710 --> 02:44:10,000
homestead air force base

3896
02:44:17,190 --> 02:44:14,720
the guard recognizes the president and

3897
02:44:20,150 --> 02:44:17,200
is shocked to see the present he waves

3898
02:44:22,550 --> 02:44:20,160
him through they drive down to the

3899
02:44:25,590 --> 02:44:22,560
opposite side far end of homestead air

3900
02:44:27,750 --> 02:44:25,600
force base and then under a

3901
02:44:29,349 --> 02:44:27,760
security guard

3902
02:44:31,510 --> 02:44:29,359
and a a uh

3903
02:44:34,389 --> 02:44:31,520
an usher they are brought into a kind of

3904
02:44:37,910 --> 02:44:34,399
a large hangar facility where jackie

3905
02:44:40,550 --> 02:44:37,920
gleason sees not one but one two three

3906
02:44:43,190 --> 02:44:40,560
four five

3907
02:44:44,950 --> 02:44:43,200
coke freezers jimmy vintage coke

3908
02:44:46,790 --> 02:44:44,960
freezers is the best way to describe

3909
02:44:47,670 --> 02:44:46,800
these things they have glass tops on

3910
02:44:50,469 --> 02:44:47,680
them

3911
02:44:54,309 --> 02:44:50,479
and they are containing the mangled and

3912
02:44:56,550 --> 02:44:54,319
burnt remains of childlike quote unquote

3913
02:44:58,710 --> 02:44:56,560
extraterrestrial beings

3914
02:45:02,070 --> 02:44:58,720
behind the coke freezers there were

3915
02:45:03,750 --> 02:45:02,080
multiple blue colored bee uh bins

3916
02:45:05,670 --> 02:45:03,760
containing what's believed to be the

3917
02:45:06,870 --> 02:45:05,680
debris or crash debris from this

3918
02:45:08,630 --> 02:45:06,880
retrieval

3919
02:45:10,630 --> 02:45:08,640
they're there we don't know how long

3920
02:45:14,469 --> 02:45:10,640
they were there they get back into the

3921
02:45:15,670 --> 02:45:14,479
president's car he drives him back to uh

3922
02:45:18,309 --> 02:45:15,680
miami

3923
02:45:21,590 --> 02:45:18,319
he plops himself down on the couch and

3924
02:45:23,190 --> 02:45:21,600
when his ex-wife beverly mckittrick

3925
02:45:26,710 --> 02:45:23,200
his wife at the time

3926
02:45:29,110 --> 02:45:26,720
when he asked jackie where he'd been

3927
02:45:31,590 --> 02:45:29,120
he was absolutely a changed man and was

3928
02:45:33,510 --> 02:45:31,600
exhausted and in a nutshell

3929
02:45:35,830 --> 02:45:33,520
that is the case but i wanted to bring

3930
02:45:37,910 --> 02:45:35,840
up just a couple of quick points here as

3931
02:45:39,349 --> 02:45:37,920
we're uh rapidly

3932
02:45:41,190 --> 02:45:39,359
finishing this here

3933
02:45:43,030 --> 02:45:41,200
point number one

3934
02:45:45,590 --> 02:45:43,040
could they have done it

3935
02:45:47,590 --> 02:45:45,600
could they have driven from miami to

3936
02:45:49,750 --> 02:45:47,600
homestead air force base

3937
02:45:52,309 --> 02:45:49,760
keep in mind this is 1973 it would have

3938
02:45:54,630 --> 02:45:52,319
been near 12 midnight

3939
02:45:56,790 --> 02:45:54,640
it's a 30 minute drive to homestead air

3940
02:45:58,469 --> 02:45:56,800
force base they could have spent 10

3941
02:46:00,550 --> 02:45:58,479
minutes there and then drove back they

3942
02:46:03,190 --> 02:46:00,560
could have done it in just over an hour

3943
02:46:05,269 --> 02:46:03,200
so that's completely consistent with the

3944
02:46:07,349 --> 02:46:05,279
whole thing next thing is

3945
02:46:09,510 --> 02:46:07,359
i've got the report here

3946
02:46:11,030 --> 02:46:09,520
and this is

3947
02:46:13,750 --> 02:46:11,040
gonna be from

3948
02:46:15,190 --> 02:46:13,760
and if i can get to this here

3949
02:46:19,349 --> 02:46:15,200
let's see here we go

3950
02:46:21,110 --> 02:46:19,359
this is dayton daily news may 14 1993

3951
02:46:23,110 --> 02:46:21,120
jackie gleason claimed that richard

3952
02:46:26,150 --> 02:46:23,120
nixon took him to homestead air force

3953
02:46:28,309 --> 02:46:26,160
base and he viewed alien bodies that's

3954
02:46:30,230 --> 02:46:28,319
written about in the book here and it

3955
02:46:32,469 --> 02:46:30,240
isn't just jackie gleason

3956
02:46:34,230 --> 02:46:32,479
later it goes on

3957
02:46:37,269 --> 02:46:34,240
in the second article here this is the

3958
02:46:39,990 --> 02:46:37,279
times tribune july 5th 1987.

3959
02:46:42,550 --> 02:46:40,000
in her unpublished biography

3960
02:46:45,510 --> 02:46:42,560
of the funny man entitled the great one

3961
02:46:48,150 --> 02:46:45,520
beverly gleason's beverly gleason's

3962
02:46:51,190 --> 02:46:48,160
second spouse describes a bizarre trip

3963
02:46:53,030 --> 02:46:51,200
jackie took with then president in 1973

3964
02:46:55,990 --> 02:46:53,040
to homestead air force base in florida

3965
02:46:58,230 --> 02:46:56,000
to see what he she says were the bodies

3966
02:46:59,830 --> 02:46:58,240
of four dead space aliens recovered by

3967
02:47:02,469 --> 02:46:59,840
the air force

3968
02:47:05,269 --> 02:47:02,479
so if we could get a copy of her

3969
02:47:07,670 --> 02:47:05,279
original unpublished manuscript it

3970
02:47:11,110 --> 02:47:07,680
helped to verify the story well

3971
02:47:13,510 --> 02:47:11,120
homestead is 15 miles from miami

3972
02:47:15,429 --> 02:47:13,520
yeah so that's not a big deal how far is

3973
02:47:17,750 --> 02:47:15,439
it from iverson

3974
02:47:19,750 --> 02:47:17,760
uh in ferrari

3975
02:47:21,590 --> 02:47:19,760
florida is further north

3976
02:47:23,910 --> 02:47:21,600
it's further north

3977
02:47:25,429 --> 02:47:23,920
but if they departed from miami they

3978
02:47:27,510 --> 02:47:25,439
could have done it they could have done

3979
02:47:29,910 --> 02:47:27,520
it in just over an hour yeah it was 15

3980
02:47:31,670 --> 02:47:29,920
miles not that big of a deal

3981
02:47:34,710 --> 02:47:31,680
yeah not that big of a deal

3982
02:47:37,670 --> 02:47:34,720
i don't i you know i i i just don't

3983
02:47:40,230 --> 02:47:37,680
think jackie would have made it up

3984
02:47:42,150 --> 02:47:40,240
no it's it's it's too deep

3985
02:47:43,269 --> 02:47:42,160
there's too many crazy parts about this

3986
02:47:44,150 --> 02:47:43,279
story

3987
02:47:45,510 --> 02:47:44,160
that

3988
02:47:48,389 --> 02:47:45,520
if you're gonna make it up you wouldn't

3989
02:47:50,550 --> 02:47:48,399
say it this way one nixon drove himself

3990
02:47:52,150 --> 02:47:50,560
well that's that's preposterous it's

3991
02:47:53,429 --> 02:47:52,160
preposterous right it sounds

3992
02:47:56,710 --> 02:47:53,439
preposterous

3993
02:47:57,590 --> 02:47:56,720
that's the it just it breathes truth to

3994
02:47:59,670 --> 02:47:57,600
me

3995
02:48:01,830 --> 02:47:59,680
otherwise you would say the limousine

3996
02:48:03,670 --> 02:48:01,840
pulled up and i went out the secret

3997
02:48:05,030 --> 02:48:03,680
service was there and

3998
02:48:07,590 --> 02:48:05,040
and we wrote down there in the

3999
02:48:10,389 --> 02:48:07,600
presidential limousine he would say it

4000
02:48:12,870 --> 02:48:10,399
you know it's something believable not

4001
02:48:14,550 --> 02:48:12,880
nixon shows up by himself and says

4002
02:48:17,590 --> 02:48:14,560
come on i'm going to take you for a ride

4003
02:48:19,510 --> 02:48:17,600
let's go apparently richard nixon had a

4004
02:48:21,190 --> 02:48:19,520
habit of skipping out on the secret

4005
02:48:23,110 --> 02:48:21,200
service so it's not unprecedented

4006
02:48:26,710 --> 02:48:23,120
there's another article here the times

4007
02:48:28,710 --> 02:48:26,720
tribune march 15 1985 it says larry w

4008
02:48:30,950 --> 02:48:28,720
bryant who is the director of the

4009
02:48:33,510 --> 02:48:30,960
organization wrote back that there have

4010
02:48:35,670 --> 02:48:33,520
been reports that mcdill langley air

4011
02:48:38,870 --> 02:48:35,680
force base in virginia and homestead air

4012
02:48:42,550 --> 02:48:38,880
force base near miami have all served as

4013
02:48:45,990 --> 02:48:42,560
way stations or temporary repositories

4014
02:48:49,750 --> 02:48:46,000
for crash saucer artifacts there you go

4015
02:48:51,910 --> 02:48:49,760
it checks out now um have you been uh

4016
02:48:53,590 --> 02:48:51,920
have you have you taken a tour of skunk

4017
02:48:55,910 --> 02:48:53,600
works

4018
02:48:57,429 --> 02:48:55,920
me no have you have you been on the

4019
02:48:59,269 --> 02:48:57,439
property

4020
02:49:00,790 --> 02:48:59,279
i have i have technically not been on

4021
02:49:02,790 --> 02:49:00,800
the property no

4022
02:49:09,190 --> 02:49:02,800
you want to go

4023
02:49:10,870 --> 02:49:09,200
see you deserve

4024
02:49:12,950 --> 02:49:10,880
i mean uh

4025
02:49:15,030 --> 02:49:12,960
and and and what about edwards have you

4026
02:49:17,030 --> 02:49:15,040
been on edward i've been on edward's

4027
02:49:19,429 --> 02:49:17,040
property yes and and what did you see

4028
02:49:21,030 --> 02:49:19,439
there i went to the historical archives

4029
02:49:22,950 --> 02:49:21,040
department but it wasn't easy to get

4030
02:49:25,269 --> 02:49:22,960
there i tell you that right now

4031
02:49:29,910 --> 02:49:26,870
one day i'll tell you my men in black

4032
02:49:32,870 --> 02:49:29,920
story but um yeah you've got to come on

4033
02:49:34,870 --> 02:49:32,880
up and uh and and let's hang out we

4034
02:49:36,950 --> 02:49:34,880
almost did this weekend everybody i'm

4035
02:49:41,190 --> 02:49:36,960
just gonna let you know that but uh

4036
02:49:44,870 --> 02:49:41,200
uh we've got to do that very soon and uh

4037
02:49:46,950 --> 02:49:44,880
there's too much going on uh up here i

4038
02:49:48,309 --> 02:49:46,960
mean there's just way too much and it if

4039
02:49:51,110 --> 02:49:48,319
for you

4040
02:49:53,269 --> 02:49:51,120
um it's a kid in a candy store

4041
02:49:55,590 --> 02:49:53,279
well i mean everyone's certainly welcome

4042
02:49:57,429 --> 02:49:55,600
to go to go to blackbird air park you

4043
02:50:00,309 --> 02:49:57,439
can certainly go there oh i did that the

4044
02:50:01,830 --> 02:50:00,319
other day oh that's that's easy

4045
02:50:03,510 --> 02:50:01,840
yeah that's easy

4046
02:50:05,030 --> 02:50:03,520
but check this out

4047
02:50:06,550 --> 02:50:05,040
um so

4048
02:50:08,710 --> 02:50:06,560
okay i'm just gonna tell the audience

4049
02:50:12,469 --> 02:50:08,720
you can look up blackbird air park right

4050
02:50:15,349 --> 02:50:12,479
okay so this is a saturday night this is

4051
02:50:17,590 --> 02:50:15,359
a saturday night for jimmy church

4052
02:50:19,030 --> 02:50:17,600
so i go out to dinner uh with some

4053
02:50:20,469 --> 02:50:19,040
friends

4054
02:50:23,830 --> 02:50:20,479
and uh

4055
02:50:26,230 --> 02:50:23,840
after dinner uh

4056
02:50:28,309 --> 02:50:26,240
one of my friends said let let's show us

4057
02:50:29,030 --> 02:50:28,319
the secret stuff i said okay all right

4058
02:50:31,269 --> 02:50:29,040
so

4059
02:50:33,910 --> 02:50:31,279
you know and we did we did it right we i

4060
02:50:37,110 --> 02:50:33,920
took them over to blackbird and and made

4061
02:50:39,269 --> 02:50:37,120
the left and the entrance to blackbird

4062
02:50:41,910 --> 02:50:39,279
had it the gate closed which i was

4063
02:50:44,710 --> 02:50:41,920
pretty surprised is public access but

4064
02:50:45,510 --> 02:50:44,720
right beyond that

4065
02:50:48,389 --> 02:50:45,520
uh

4066
02:50:51,030 --> 02:50:48,399
there is a set of gates

4067
02:50:54,469 --> 02:50:51,040
and i had to make a u-turn

4068
02:50:57,269 --> 02:50:54,479
but i read the signs

4069
02:50:59,370 --> 02:50:57,279
that really freaked me out

4070
02:51:01,670 --> 02:50:59,380
and i mean

4071
02:51:02,830 --> 02:51:01,680
[Laughter]

4072
02:51:05,030 --> 02:51:02,840
you're like

4073
02:51:07,349 --> 02:51:05,040
really and

4074
02:51:09,750 --> 02:51:07,359
it was uh

4075
02:51:11,349 --> 02:51:09,760
it was it was frightening and and and i

4076
02:51:14,630 --> 02:51:11,359
had said to my friend i said i hadn't

4077
02:51:16,630 --> 02:51:14,640
gotten that close had i been stupid

4078
02:51:18,150 --> 02:51:16,640
um and not taken a look i could have

4079
02:51:19,910 --> 02:51:18,160
driven right through that i would have

4080
02:51:21,670 --> 02:51:19,920
been in some trouble anyway so i made

4081
02:51:24,230 --> 02:51:21,680
the uterine i said dude

4082
02:51:26,630 --> 02:51:24,240
we this is the night we get arrested

4083
02:51:28,389 --> 02:51:26,640
this is it this is the night and

4084
02:51:30,150 --> 02:51:28,399
doing that at ten o'clock at night in

4085
02:51:33,110 --> 02:51:30,160
the cover of darkness

4086
02:51:35,269 --> 02:51:33,120
um and and poking around over there is

4087
02:51:37,030 --> 02:51:35,279
something that a black jeep with fade to

4088
02:51:39,510 --> 02:51:37,040
black license plates

4089
02:51:41,510 --> 02:51:39,520
i should be doing but i'll take you i'll

4090
02:51:42,870 --> 02:51:41,520
take you right and i'll show you the

4091
02:51:43,990 --> 02:51:42,880
signs that i

4092
02:51:46,630 --> 02:51:44,000
that i'm talking about i don't want to

4093
02:51:49,030 --> 02:51:46,640
say it on the air but it was it was

4094
02:51:52,950 --> 02:51:49,040
unbelievable and i i hadn't seen this

4095
02:51:57,670 --> 02:51:55,349
yeah just uh i guess it's it's a safe

4096
02:51:59,269 --> 02:51:57,680
move to to stay within the boundary you

4097
02:52:01,830 --> 02:51:59,279
don't want to go beyond the boundary you

4098
02:52:03,750 --> 02:52:01,840
know there there's a there's another

4099
02:52:05,349 --> 02:52:03,760
and i swear to god man i'm going to get

4100
02:52:06,309 --> 02:52:05,359
visited tonight

4101
02:52:12,150 --> 02:52:06,319
um

4102
02:52:15,110 --> 02:52:12,160
next to across the street from uh the

4103
02:52:18,309 --> 02:52:15,120
blackberry they have two sr-71s across

4104
02:52:21,910 --> 02:52:18,319
the street it's a white building

4105
02:52:23,910 --> 02:52:21,920
and uh no signs on it and i

4106
02:52:26,309 --> 02:52:23,920
read a couple of things i mean there's

4107
02:52:28,710 --> 02:52:26,319
no like this is what the building is

4108
02:52:31,349 --> 02:52:28,720
right a sign on the building

4109
02:52:35,190 --> 02:52:31,359
that's the faa

4110
02:52:37,110 --> 02:52:35,200
what is the faa doing which is a

4111
02:52:38,550 --> 02:52:37,120
surveillance the federal aviation

4112
02:52:41,269 --> 02:52:38,560
administration

4113
02:52:43,269 --> 02:52:41,279
what is it doing next to air force plant

4114
02:52:44,710 --> 02:52:43,279
42.

4115
02:52:45,590 --> 02:52:44,720
good question

4116
02:52:47,990 --> 02:52:45,600
right

4117
02:52:50,950 --> 02:52:48,000
good question full of cars too

4118
02:52:52,070 --> 02:52:50,960
man tonight's the night i get shut down

4119
02:52:54,550 --> 02:52:52,080
michael

4120
02:52:57,349 --> 02:52:54,560
yeah thank you for another fascinating

4121
02:52:59,349 --> 02:52:57,359
conversation man and uh i look forward

4122
02:53:01,590 --> 02:52:59,359
to you coming out and uh

4123
02:53:04,550 --> 02:53:01,600
uh we'll uh we'll have lunch we'll have

4124
02:53:08,630 --> 02:53:04,560
dinner and we'll go take a we'll go poke

4125
02:53:11,830 --> 02:53:10,309
it's always good to be with you jimmy

4126
02:53:13,990 --> 02:53:11,840
you're the best it's good to be with you

4127
02:53:15,670 --> 02:53:14,000
michael michael thank you so much my

4128
02:53:17,910 --> 02:53:15,680
friend

4129
02:53:19,510 --> 02:53:17,920
mike thank you so much very good really

4130
02:53:21,269 --> 02:53:19,520
enjoyed it what a great conversation

4131
02:53:23,349 --> 02:53:21,279
tonight and i blew past the commercials

4132
02:53:25,670 --> 02:53:23,359
i'm going to get those in now

4133
02:53:28,230 --> 02:53:25,680
and uh i will swing back after this

4134
02:53:30,870 --> 02:53:28,240
short break michael schrad

4135
02:53:32,870 --> 02:53:30,880
and uh again go follow michael on

4136
02:53:35,110 --> 02:53:32,880
facebook i've got the links up

4137
02:53:36,630 --> 02:53:35,120
he would enjoy talking to all of you i'm

4138
02:53:38,550 --> 02:53:36,640
your host jimmy church this is fade to

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02:53:40,720 --> 02:53:38,560
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all right welcome back

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yeah i'm going to go straight from here

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to the outro

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i want to thank michael schrad for

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coming in tonight what a great

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conversation and uh and he just knows so

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much about so much but uh back to my

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little uh thing that happened on

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saturday night uh before i get out of

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here to be clear

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i um

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uh you can look up the uh the sr-71 the

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blackbird park you can see it right

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there

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and uh

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so anyway

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i tried to get into the parking lot

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there and it was uh uh the gates were i

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didn't know that there was a gate i

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thought it was wide open so anyway i

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drive past it

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i keep driving then i see the sign it's

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right there

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and i'm not kidding even for me because

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i like i like taking chances i like

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having fun and that's what we were doing

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but um

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uh i slowed down and i went oh wait a

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minute i think we've gone too far

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and as i i take the jeep

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and i kind of zig it out uh to the right

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so i can make this u-turn and get back

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out

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i stopped and i and i was reading the

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whoa and even for me

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i uh i got a little freaked out i mean i

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just i almost went

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one step too far a bridge too far i

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almost drove through because it was open

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you know the signs were there

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um and i could see what was going on

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beyond

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but i was just looking for a spot to

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turn around

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and uh it was it was right there around

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it was absolutely nuts so much fun and

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uh somebody like uh michael

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who has been

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researching uh the aviation

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uh history both military and civilian

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for so long and he's a pilot himself uh

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this is it's a fun thing to do just to

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go out and check this stuff out

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um

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but there is also uh this layer

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of secrecy

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and it's it's a it's a fascinating thing

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to see it's right there it's right in

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the public

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what a great week uh this is a

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excellent way to start off

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the week here on fade to black but i

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want to remind everybody what's going on

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tomorrow night margie k right here on

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fade to black and then wednesday night

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dave schrader is uh stopping by

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uh for

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schrade to black and then

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thursday is is thanksgiving and after

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thanksgiving dinner

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i will be back here in the bunker

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hanging out with all of you taking your

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phone calls all night long for a very

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special thanksgiving

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fader night i am your host jimmy church

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what a great night on the show i want to

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thank michael schrat

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for coming in oh that photograph

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that he held off to the camera was

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pretty cool

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that was pretty dang cool faded black is

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produced by him j palm rene dennis and

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all right the observers now is

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i'll see everybody tomorrow margie k

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right here until then

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i want everybody to be safe

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it's time to fade to black